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Slenerim
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Not going lucid, What am i doing wrong?
PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

1 month have passed when i was trying WBTB technique every week-ends.
Actually, i don't do it because i am not getting any success so i am depressed and not motivated to do it. although every time
i get off my bed i do my reality check that is looking for my hands and counting my
fingers, i also have my own dream journal with 15-20 notebook sheet fully written.
Except this week, i tried to do WBTB again, but had no success. What i do while i'm
awake doing WBTB is turning on my PC, searching about lucid dreams, thinking that they
are really cool, but heres an important point. I don't get motivated at all
and i wonder why this happens maybe because of my many unsuccessful attempts before when i tried
WBTB for real and had a feeling of motivation? or am i missing something?

I really don't know what to do anymore to get a lucid dream.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

I could never get WBTB to work properly. Each dreamer will experience each technique in a unique way, relative to their unique reality, sleep patterns, and proficiency with the technique .
One option would be to simply try a different technique, there are dozens on the quest for lucidity forum. I myself have found more luck as a WILD'er.

(best advice for wbtb would be found on the quest of LD forum, but I'll throw in my two cents, I'm by no means expert or proficient with WBTB).
I found that by leaving bed during the wbtb process my mind was telling my body that it was time to wake up for the day, and I would simply become restless and hardly sleep or dream at all on my return to bed.
I did find however, that if I stayed in bed that cue was never given and I was much more successful at entering a lucid dream.

One supplemental method I think everyone can benefit from is frequently utilizing a variety of reality checks.

Motivation can be rough. It took me several months to have my first LD, and even after all this time I will have dry spells. Might I assure you that your efforts will be rewarded upon reaching an LD. Some find it helpful to share notes or their full dreams on the dream journal here on there forum. By doing so you can ask for advice as you go, and its always nice to have folks cheer you along as you get closer to your goal. smile

Good luck!


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

The first piece of advice I can offer is for you to make sure you're remembering a dream (at least one, the more the better) most nights, if not then you probably won't remember a lucid dream if you had one.

Motivation is sometimes hard to hold onto but without it I believe your chances of becoming lucid will significantly decrease, if you don't really want what you're putting all the effort in for it's not going to happen easily. I can't really offer many motivation tips as to why you should get excited about it but maybe ask yourself why you wanted to lucid dream in the first place. If it helps I always stay motivated by thinking of the things I would like to do while lucid and making a list (pretty long now). Hope this helped.



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Also, maybe try SSILD after your WBTB - I don't know about you, but it works really well for me - I'm getting an LD pretty much every other night since I started doing WBTB SSILD.

EDIT: 50th post yay!



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Czaranis wrote:
Also, maybe try SSILD after your WBTB - I don't know about you, but it works really well for me - I'm getting an LD pretty much every other night since I started doing WBTB SSILD.

EDIT: 50th post yay!


Could you explain to me, which technique is that and how to use it?
thanks


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Quicksilver21 wrote:
The first piece of advice I can offer is for you to make sure you're remembering a dream (at least one, the more the better) most nights, if not then you probably won't remember a lucid dream if you had one.

Motivation is sometimes hard to hold onto but without it I believe your chances of becoming lucid will significantly decrease, if you don't really want what you're putting all the effort in for it's not going to happen easily. I can't really offer many motivation tips as to why you should get excited about it but maybe ask yourself why you wanted to lucid dream in the first place. If it helps I always stay motivated by thinking of the things I would like to do while lucid and making a list (pretty long now). Hope this helped.


Lucid dream is a empty concept because i don't know how it feels like, never had that experience, maybe thats why i find it hard to get motivation for a thing i never tried. Well i don't know really how to get motivation.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Well, lucid dreams feel just like real life to me, except that I can change anything - there is no spoon! ^^ As for SSILD, it is Senses Initiated Lucid Dream, and [url=cosmiciron.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/senses-initiat ed-lucid-dream-ssild_16.html?m=1]here[/url] is a link to cosmic.iron's tutorial.

EDIT: link, Y U NO WORK? Can a mod fix this?



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

It's extremely important that you actually believe you will succeed.
I get the impression that you are not confident enough about this and almost expect to not succeed with it, and this will dramatically affect your success rate in a negative way.
You need to know that you will eventually succeed, and assume that it will happen in the near future.

Also, you shouldn't rely too much on techniques, you need to have a burning passion that motivates you and makes you feel strength in your own abilities to become lucid.
Tim Post, the founder of Lucidipedia, has said himself that the only thing he did in order to get his first lucid dream in a while very quickly was that he was genuinely interested in lucidity and was happily looking forward to it.
Try to make it a bit of a lifestyle as well, so that you are always extra aware about your surroundings.

You know you are on the right track if you always feel purely excited and look forward to your first lucid dreams.
And it really doesn't matter how long it takes, your first lucid dream will be worth all the wait, even if it only lasts a couple of second the first time.
Just becoming lucid can make your day, it's absolutely not required to have a "long, vivid dream with a lot of control" to reap the rewards, just the realization that you suddenly became lucid in a dream is exciting enough, and will boost your motivation like crazy.

And also - have some goals!
Striving for a "lucid dream" is not enough, remember that the thing that really makes lucidity exciting is that you can experience a lot of things.
So make sure to have some experiences prepared.
Although in your first lucid dreams you shouldn't get too carried away, your first goals should be fairly simple and allow you to get used to the dreamworld - just walking around and looking at things, listening for sounds and touching things are good things to do in your first lucid dream.
It might sound like boring goals, but trust me, nothing is boring in a lucid dream, absolutely everything feels incredibly new and exciting.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

*Laurelindo* wrote:
It's extremely important that you actually believe you will succeed.
I get the impression that you are not confident enough about this and almost expect to not succeed with it, and this will dramatically affect your success rate in a negative way.
You need to know that you will eventually succeed, and assume that it will happen in the near future.

Also, you shouldn't rely too much on techniques, you need to have a burning passion that motivates you and makes you feel strength in your own abilities to become lucid.
Tim Post, the founder of Lucidipedia, has said himself that the only thing he did in order to get his first lucid dream in a while very quickly was that he was genuinely interested in lucidity and was happily looking forward to it.
Try to make it a bit of a lifestyle as well, so that you are always extra aware about your surroundings.

You know you are on the right track if you always feel purely excited and look forward to your first lucid dreams.
And it really doesn't matter how long it takes, your first lucid dream will be worth all the wait, even if it only lasts a couple of second the first time.
Just becoming lucid can make your day, it's absolutely not required to have a "long, vivid dream with a lot of control" to reap the rewards, just the realization that you suddenly became lucid in a dream is exciting enough, and will boost your motivation like crazy.

And also - have some goals!
Striving for a "lucid dream" is not enough, remember that the thing that really makes lucidity exciting is that you can experience a lot of things.
So make sure to have some experiences prepared.
Although in your first lucid dreams you shouldn't get too carried away, your first goals should be fairly simple and allow you to get used to the dreamworld - just walking around and looking at things, listening for sounds and touching things are good things to do in your first lucid dream.
It might sound like boring goals, but trust me, nothing is boring in a lucid dream, absolutely everything feels incredibly new and exciting.


Well, maybe you're right, maybe i'm not confident enough.
My life recently has been sucking so much too, i've been a little
depressed, maybe thats another reason why i dont get motivated easily for lucid dreaming, although i write all of my dreams everyday on my notebook(paper) looks like the more dreams i recall the less i remember about them, when i do WBTB on weekends i always try to get motivated, but i never get really motivated maybe because of my life problems.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Well to stay motivated to get and have lucid dreams you need to learn how to enjoy non lucid dreams. Once when you start to appreciate dreams in general then LD will come easily. It may seem that this 2 are not related but thrust me, they are.

Look at it in a different way yet the same way:

You wanna be rich but you don't wanna work - those 2 hardly came together, sometimes you might be lucky and be rich from the day you were born - you might have a talent to induce lucid dream(being natural) but if you don't work you will lose/spend money with time - if you don't work on your talent you won't be successful as you could be...

At least that's how I see it...

Good luck! ^^



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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

dB_FTS wrote:
Well to stay motivated to get and have lucid dreams you need to learn how to enjoy non lucid dreams. Once when you start to appreciate dreams in general then LD will come easily. It may seem that this 2 are not related but thrust me, they are.

Look at it in a different way yet the same way:

You wanna be rich but you don't wanna work - those 2 hardly came together, sometimes you might be lucky and be rich from the day you were born - you might have a talent to induce lucid dream(being natural) but if you don't work you will lose/spend money with time - if you don't work on your talent you won't be successful as you could be...

At least that's how I see it...

Good luck! ^^


Learn to like non-lucid dreams? well, my dreams are
so random sometimes so i don't know how to appreciate them
or sometimes i don't know how to writen them on my dream journal lol.
And barely my dreams show me something cool, most of my dreams
are based on my school for some reason. Oh forgot to mention when i do
WBTB technique i do MILD as well, but my mantra doesn't seem strong enough
it doesn't motivate me at all. (and sorry to overuse this word lol)


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Hey guy. Im just initiating here, and i'm not avanced at all, but you should try DILD. Just think all day, the INCREDIBLE things you will do in your LD's, and check reality constantly. I do the nose breath check. If you have not a solid reason to do LD, i'm sure you have a goal, or you like adventures or whatever. When you get motivated, you will do all. If you fail constantly with that metod, try WILD, DILD, MILD, there are a lot of technics for you. Find what you like. But motivation is most important, trust me. (I repeat: i'm a begginer)

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

TomLink wrote:
Hey guy. Im just initiating here, and i'm not avanced at all, but you should try DILD. Just think all day, the INCREDIBLE things you will do in your LD's, and check reality constantly. I do the nose breath check. If you have not a solid reason to do LD, i'm sure you have a goal, or you like adventures or whatever. When you get motivated, you will do all. If you fail constantly with that metod, try WILD, DILD, MILD, there are a lot of technics for you. Find what you like. But motivation is most important, trust me. (I repeat: i'm a begginer)


Well i constantly do reality check, but i just look for my hands
and count fingers (not sure if that is enough tough) but as far as i read it
DILD you eventually will do a reality check in a dream, if you notice something weird you'll get the consciousness that you are dreaming. But that seems hard
because my dreams are very random.

e.g in one dream i might be at school talking with friends etc...
and in the other night, i might be dreaming about me riding a pig and flying
to space and stuff.

So as far as i try to input my mantra, to do a reality check when i will be dreaming
i know that i will dream very random stuff, just like watching a movie.

In a nutshell - I can't antecipate what my dream will be.


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Slenerim wrote:
dB_FTS wrote:
Well to stay motivated to get and have lucid dreams you need to learn how to enjoy non lucid dreams. Once when you start to appreciate dreams in general then LD will come easily. It may seem that this 2 are not related but thrust me, they are.

Look at it in a different way yet the same way:

You wanna be rich but you don't wanna work - those 2 hardly came together, sometimes you might be lucky and be rich from the day you were born - you might have a talent to induce lucid dream(being natural) but if you don't work you will lose/spend money with time - if you don't work on your talent you won't be successful as you could be...

At least that's how I see it...

Good luck! ^^


Learn to like non-lucid dreams? well, my dreams are
so random sometimes so i don't know how to appreciate them
or sometimes i don't know how to writen them on my dream journal lol.
And barely my dreams show me something cool, most of my dreams
are based on my school for some reason. Oh forgot to mention when i do
WBTB technique i do MILD as well, but my mantra doesn't seem strong enough
it doesn't motivate me at all. (and sorry to overuse this word lol)


Yes! Dreams are generally random. I don't care about that, when you start to feel happy because you are going to sleep and because you know that you will dream then dreams will have a meaning to you and motivation will not be a problem.

I started a new job 2 week ago and everything was messed up. Sleeping hours, working hours and lucid dreaming wasn't on my mind not even the slightest. Now just out of the blue I again started to feel happy and I have this urge to dream, to remember dreams. And last night I had this amazing dream.

I will tell you about it: (not the best recall cuz I'm still getting into it)

So I'm in this somewhat hostile environment and from nowhere this men came, solider type of a men and I have a feeling that I was with someone. So they took us to some kind of hangar where the leader came.

On my surprise the leader was a not beautiful, not gorgeous woman but out of this world woman. (that's for sure ^^ ) For some reason soldiers made me to sign some papers but this woman came next to me and she looked me in the eye. The look and the eyes like I've never seen before. Deep, emotional, relaxing yet intense look with deep blue eyes in which I lost myself. I still held the pencil over the paper and the guard/soldier came and punched me in the shoulder - movie like punch in the shoulder. ^^

Then I decided that I need to escape but the woman... The woman, I couldn't left without here even though she was the written enemy. Before I put my eyes down on the paper from here look I found myself somewhere else, I don't know where, holding here for the hand and running. She had completely white hair, long, just the way I like it... ^^
----------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- -------

You see, before this I didn't recall any dreams (for 2 weeks) and lucid dreams weren't even in the imagination. Because I didn't had this feeling of wanting to have dreams to have this adventures.

Trust me, with this feeling in the mind every night I'm like:

I'm going on an adventure! (Click)



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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

dB_FTS wrote:
Slenerim wrote:
dB_FTS wrote:
Well to stay motivated to get and have lucid dreams you need to learn how to enjoy non lucid dreams. Once when you start to appreciate dreams in general then LD will come easily. It may seem that this 2 are not related but thrust me, they are.

Look at it in a different way yet the same way:

You wanna be rich but you don't wanna work - those 2 hardly came together, sometimes you might be lucky and be rich from the day you were born - you might have a talent to induce lucid dream(being natural) but if you don't work you will lose/spend money with time - if you don't work on your talent you won't be successful as you could be...

At least that's how I see it...

Good luck! ^^


Learn to like non-lucid dreams? well, my dreams are
so random sometimes so i don't know how to appreciate them
or sometimes i don't know how to writen them on my dream journal lol.
And barely my dreams show me something cool, most of my dreams
are based on my school for some reason. Oh forgot to mention when i do
WBTB technique i do MILD as well, but my mantra doesn't seem strong enough
it doesn't motivate me at all. (and sorry to overuse this word lol)


Yes! Dreams are generally random. I don't care about that, when you start to feel happy because you are going to sleep and because you know that you will dream then dreams will have a meaning to you and motivation will not be a problem.

I started a new job 2 week ago and everything was messed up. Sleeping hours, working hours and lucid dreaming wasn't on my mind not even the slightest. Now just out of the blue I again started to feel happy and I have this urge to dream, to remember dreams. And last night I had this amazing dream.

I will tell you about it: (not the best recall cuz I'm still getting into it)

So I'm in this somewhat hostile environment and from nowhere this men came, solider type of a men and I have a feeling that I was with someone. So they took us to some kind of hangar where the leader came.

On my surprise the leader was a not beautiful, not gorgeous woman but out of this world woman. (that's for sure ^^ ) For some reason soldiers made me to sign some papers but this woman came next to me and she looked me in the eye. The look and the eyes like I've never seen before. Deep, emotional, relaxing yet intense look with deep blue eyes in which I lost myself. I still held the pencil over the paper and the guard/soldier came and punched me in the shoulder - movie like punch in the shoulder. ^^

Then I decided that I need to escape but the woman... The woman, I couldn't left without here even though she was the written enemy. Before I put my eyes down on the paper from here look I found myself somewhere else, I don't know where, holding here for the hand and running. She had completely white hair, long, just the way I like it... ^^
----------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- -------

You see, before this I didn't recall any dreams (for 2 weeks) and lucid dreams weren't even in the imagination. Because I didn't had this feeling of wanting to have dreams to have this adventures.

Trust me, with this feeling in the mind every night I'm like:

I'm going on an adventure! (Click)



Would it be a good technique if i do a mantra saying "When i start to dream i will do a reality check" And if i do so, will i get the consciouness that i am dreaming or not? (I do a lot of reality checks now)


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