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PostPosted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

Hey Guys!

I'd love to join in on this experience! I also would like to further my learning and experience into SP and WILD attempts. I was wodering, can I get the updated mp3 file that you use now? I'll also be posting my attempts in the morning on this thread.

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My own MP3
PostPosted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

Hi Owen,

Nice you join in. Welcome.

Offcourse you can have the mp3 I made myself, here it is:
tmp-files-ld
it has no copyright as it is made by myself and opensource colgate

Good-luck and keep us updated, even if it is a real disaster colgate, maybe we can help each other.

BTW concerning the mp3, I tried it like this:
I only use 3 times double beep (that is more then enough for me, I wake up very easily).
There are beeps first after 20 minutes, then after 18, then after 16, then again after 20, 18, 16, .... It lasts almost 2 hours. If you need more, you can repeat it, and then it goes on forever smile

If somebody likes another setting, please let me know, it is easy to make, so I don't bother.


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Re: My own MP3
PostPosted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

dreamystivi wrote:
Hi Owen,

Nice you join in. Welcome.

Offcourse you can have the mp3 I made myself, here it is:
tmp-files-ld
it has no copyright as it is made by myself and opensource colgate

Good-luck and keep us updated, even if it is a real disaster colgate, maybe we can help each other.

BTW concerning the mp3, I tried it like this:
I only use 3 times double beep (that is more then enough for me, I wake up very easily).
There are beeps first after 20 minutes, then after 18, then after 16, then again after 20, 18, 16, .... It lasts almost 2 hours. If you need more, you can repeat it, and then it goes on forever smile

If somebody likes another setting, please let me know, it is easy to make, so I don't bother.


Thanks man! I'll totally keep you updated! I'll try my attempt tonight and reply to you guys in the morning. Cheers



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PostPosted: Sat 23 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

My cold keeps me in the hold. So not much to update.

I sleep alot now, I just have to, feel miserabele. I am not using the mp3 now, breaks my sleep to much, and is not healthy for me at the moment, but I continue to observe my sleep. Everytime I wake up (and I do this alot, spontanesously now), I try to stay still, wacht for any dreamrecall and try to be aware for a little then let myself fall asleep again, without focussing on anything (I need my sleep, remember).
I discovered that I can fall asleep more easily nowerdays, but dreamrecall is very low. Only late in the morning dreams are recalled.

I learned the folowing:
The other nights I kept my awareness to high, this keeps me from falling back to sleep. This night I just kept awareness for a while and then no awareness at all, this allowed me to fall back asleep, but without awareness, no awareness of SP offcourse, so I need to find the wright balance between making myself falling asleep and keeping some awareness.
The other nights I had few dreamrecall, this morning I had better dreamrecall, I guess in the end my conciousness got more awake, so it could register the dreams better. I think I have to wake up my conciousness more anyhow during my WBTB sessions. I kept the WBTB very short, because difficulty of falling back asleep afterwards.

I think I understand now that concoiusness has to be activated enough when you wake up and do WBTB to have more dream awareness, and I guess dreams and SP are interlinked, so I should stay up a little longer during my WBTB.

I know you can read all about these things, but I am learning more from my own experience now and that is more valuable (to me). That's why I like this training, it sets my mind on experimenting and learning gradually, in stead of trying out all kinds of techniques and getting discouraged soon. I hope the others who joined have a similar experience about this training.


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PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

Feeling better, so resumed the practise this night.
Got up at 5, back to bed at 6, too long i guess, cause I couldn't fall asleep anymore. Heard all the beeps wide awake. Frustrating. After 1 hour I gave up, stopped the mp3 and tried to fall asleep normally, no way. More frustrated.

Then I decided to bring my mind in the body numb, mind clear state, better then being frustrated not able to sleep, and that was a good idea. I get there very easily. Normally feel stuck there, my mind is to clear to be able to fall asleep, so no dreams and no chance for lucidity, but very relaxing and inspiring, thus better than being frustrated. This turned out in a very nice experience.

Because I was not focused anymore on falling asleep or getting in SP, I could simply enjoy it. I experimented: blocking the feeling of body out, blocking all thoughts out, dissolving, staying in the empty space, ... Also tried to lift up my mind to higher states, and it worked, felt very good, kind of high colgate. After awhile, when I was very at ease, tried to get closer to sleep anyhow, and yes it seemed to work. Got very close to sleep to the point strange feelings began to arise, but my mind was so clear that my attention jumped on it immediately, so these feelings left me as soon as they raised, but that was no problem, was just nice to hover around sleep.
I stayed in this state until external noises began to disturb me to much, then decided to try to move, although i thought it would be very difficult, could move anyhow, so no, was not SP, but it was very interesting anyhow. And I woke up full of energy

Conclusion: I will not try so hard anymore to fall asleep, but get more used to this state, that seems to have more possibilities then I thought. I have a feeling that, except from having very meditative like experiences, i will eventually be able to use it to become lucid. But maybe I am just fooling myself and will keep myself from sleeping, from dreaming and thus from getting lucid. Any advice is welcome.

I am curious what experiences others are having with this mp3 or other techniques to get close to sleep an SP while still awake or waking up. Please share your experiences. I am getting bored of my own postings, lol.


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I am happy to announce that I am being rewarded for my practise this morning: got my first LD since I started this practice and it was a real nice LD. My subconscious mind gave me a sign that I am not fooling myself, but am on the right track.

This is what happened:

I spontaneously woke up at 3 this night. In my bed started reading in my dreamjournal (on my smart-phone), got up (short toilet stop) and then went back to bed, trying to get to the body numb state. I couldn't get there, my left leg was tense, it hurt, couldn't relax it, so decided just to fall asleep, no way, got my mind to clear already. Relaxing not working, and mind to clear, damn. I had a big strugle again with myself. Lost a valuable hour or two of sleep like this. Finally I got up frustrated, did some stretching, stretching my whole body to the ceiling (hands in the air) and then dropping down folding, with my head towards my knees and arms hanging loose, did this until I began to yawn allot. And then I was ready to go back to sleep. I could get in the numb state easily now, stayed there for a few minutes, then from there softly let me slip into sleep. It worked. Some vague dream images began to form, I got involved in them forgetting I was falling asleep, until I suddenly remembered "hey, wasn't I falling asleep? So what is this... dream images?", but it was very fragile, so I had to stay very calm and focus my awareness on the vague dream, I could almost feel my sleeping body, but tried to block that from my awareness. My dreambody was sitting in a chair in front of a computer so, I tried to get completely involved in this dreambody, trying to move it. This happened with the shaking, and a feeling like tearing myself out into this body, but there I was... fully Lucid in my dream.

I am not going to describe the whole dream but it was superb. First was in a building, could fly through a wall, ended up outside somewhere not so interesting, but could climb, fly, jump up, higher and higher, until I had a spectacular view on a mountain lake, with a beautiful city at the other side of the lake and a amazing backdrop of snowy mountains.

Then I did something what I would never have done before: I sat down enjoyed the view for awhile then started to meditate, knowing that probably this would wake me up in my sleep body again. But I was curious what would happen, if I would be in SP or not. And I was confident: "from now on I will have regular lucid dreams, so I don't have to do all I desperately wanted to do for so long in a Lucid dream in this dream, there will be more, relax".

So, I woke up, and was able to stay perfectly still and keeping my eyes shut. I was in the numb body state, not SP, I didn't move but had the feeling I could move (with some effort). I was little surprised. Normally you are in SP when you dream, and right after you wake up from a dream, especially if you do this consciously. So or I have very light SP and this numb state is the same or very close to SP, or I was dreaming in non-REM. If my SP is the numb state, then I have been looking much to far. I don't know yet for sure, but I have a feeling I will find out more about it if I continue this way.

I stayed in the numb state for another 15 to 30 minutes I guess, enjoyed the after feeling in this state (normally after a LD I get up and make a dance of joy, not this time, I just stayed calm, perfectly still, eyes closed and body completely relaxed), this was nice. Tried to fall back asleep and maybe have another LD, but there was my wake up alarm. End of story (for tonight).




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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

Congrats man! Sorry I haven't been posting, I have had a lot to do over this weekend getting ready for Thanksgiving! I will definitely post tomorrow because I don't have any activities or things going on tonight or tomorrow morning. Until then good luck again tonight man! Also, question: Did you lay in bed trying to keep focus on an anchor while you were falling asleep to realize you left reality?


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

Thanks,

Yes I did something to keep part of my brains awake. Repeating quickly and without stopping: "I am dreaming, I am dreaming", have read somewhere that it is an effective Wild technique, and because my dream recall is so low, i thought this would boost my dream recall at least, and it works good for me. I have almost no focus on it, just checking once and awhile if I still am repeating it, so I can let go completely and fall asleep. I have difficulty falling asleep, so I have to try not to focus to much, with this mantra for me it is easier.

This night no special things, one rather vivid dream, but no special experiences, did not do any WBTB this night, was rest night.

Good luck for you!


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

I used to wild a lot in the beginning of the year. I have to say it is really much easier for me when I do it in the morning. I wake up, and then after 5-50minutes I go back to bed and I can Wild quite easily. The problem is that it's not something everybody can do except maybe on the week end.

I also repeat things like Dreamystivi. Mine is "I am dreaming and I know that I m dreaming".
Anyway I downloaded the bip (thank you for it !) so maybe I ll succeed in the normal nights now smile



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PostPosted: Wed 27 Nov, 2013  Reply with quote

Hi koala,

You are welcome, and good luck.
I had not o much sleep lately, so no real progress.


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Hello all,

Long time since I posted here, but that doesn't mean I have been sleeping all the time , well I slept a little bit (thank God) smile

I have kept practising, each night, every other night strong practise, the other nights just 5 minutes practise and getting more sleep. And I dare to say now that it worked. I have a rate of 1 LD every two nights now!

Here the history of my LD's:
No LD's for at least a year
18/10: started WILD Practise
11/11: First very short LD
25/11: long LD (first LD I posted here, in this topic)
08/12: long LD
10/12: shorter LD
12/12: very short LD
14/12: long LD

I guess I finally have a hang on it since 8th December, since then one night no or very low practise (keeping up with sleep) and one night with practise (I always loose some hours of sleep doing this, it is not yet very easy to me) with LD as result.

Conclusion: practise gives results, but you need to be very stubborn, never give up, coping with a lot of demotivation (its not nice to have nights of practise without results, but keep up the spirit), and believing that you can do it (I think this is the most important).

BTW I still never have real SP, even if I wake up straight from a dream. I believe I get in SP while getting Lucid (I have these strange feelings while I am already inside a very low quality dream and trying to move my dreambody), but I never consciously feel this SP. As somebody stated here earlier, it is not necessary for LD, very true.

And please don't ask me precisely what I do each night. I discovered that it depends very much on who you are, tips of some were often useless to me, tips of other were usefull, you just have to discover, experiment a lot, and see and remember what is helpful for you and stick with it.

Anyhow I can say that whatever I do, I still experiment with many kinds of techniques, I once come to a point where I feel "now I feel LD is possible" and then I try to dissociate my mind/attention from my body, including my head (having my attention somewhere outside my head, above, aside, under me, sinking in my cushion, ...), If I start to early with this, it is not working and only keeping me awake.

Good luck, and keep practising, no matter what, don't ever give up, it's worth it.


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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013  Reply with quote

I will test this out and see if it works for me too, thanks for sharing! And congratulation on getting your LD's. smile

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Dec, 2013  Reply with quote

unit28 wrote:
I will test this out and see if it works for me too, thanks for sharing! And congratulation on getting your LD's. smile


Cool, good luck!


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec, 2013  Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing. I found this very useful since I also have trouble reaching real sp. (I have years of intermittent practice with trying to reach sp for astral projection.) I can reachthat numb state pretty easily but have only very rarely and very shortly been able to feel anything besides that numbness. I will keep trying. Thanks for the encouragement.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Dec, 2013  Reply with quote

Hi buttercup,

Yes keep trying to wild or astral project, I think there is not so much difference. But don't try to reach SP to hard. According to me there are people, probably like you and me, who just almost never experience SP conciously. We experience it anyhow, you can't dream without SP, but my SP only starts when I am already in a dream, I feel it at that moment, and that is perfectly ok.
Maybe it is little harder to project yourself out of your body without this SP, but there are other possibilities. I have read that you can turn a LD into an OBE, and vice versa, so if you focus on getting lucid, you are training the right way to get OBE. The only difference is the focus on where you project that dream/astral body, in a dream or in your normal surroundings.

I have no experience or knowledge about AP or OBE and don't even now if it really is so different from lucid dream (I will only have this knowledge once I experience it myself, and I am very open for it), but what I do, placing my attention somewhere completely outside of my body, which helps me a lot, is kind of an AP technique, isn't it, and it works very well, once you get used to it. It helps me to project myself in a dream (I am only familiar with this) without going trough SP. That's what we all want, isn't it? Projecting our consciousness in a state where we can function and be aware without a physical body.

Good luck.


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