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plebian
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

r3m0t wrote:
plebian wrote:
3 months with MILD and nothing to show for it yet. Is MILD over hyped as a method of LD induction or are some of us just LD deficient?


How long do you MILD every attempt? What is your mantra?


Hi,

My mantra is "Next time I'm dreaming I'll realize I'm dreaming." If I ahve woken up and remember my dream I try to think of a dreamsign in the dream and imagine myself becoming lucid. I do this until my intention is set and then try to fall asleep - if a stray thought enters my mind I repeat my intention. This has never worked for me.

I have also tried to use the MILD effect when performing WILD so as to have a failsafe but no results.


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

*shrug* MILD is dead wood to you. Use something else.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

plebian wrote:

My mantra is "Next time I'm dreaming I'll realize I'm dreaming." If I ahve woken up and remember my dream I try to think of a dreamsign in the dream and imagine myself becoming lucid. I do this until my intention is set and then try to fall asleep - if a stray thought enters my mind I repeat my intention. This has never worked for me.


Hi Plebian,

How long do you usually stay awake when performing the MILD technique? Are you performing regular reality checks throughout the day? I've found MILD to be the most sucessfult LD incudtion technique myself, but that doesn't mean that it will work for everyone. I've also found that it works much better if I perform regulat Reality Checks and keep my focus on lucid dreaming high.

Maybe try taking a break from the MILD technique, and lucid dreaming for a while? Take a few nights and just dream with no pressure, who knows you might just have a lucid dream.

ypm.


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PostPosted: Wed 14 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

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Hi Plebian,

How long do you usually stay awake when performing the MILD technique? Are you performing regular reality checks throughout the day? I've found MILD to be the most sucessfult LD incudtion technique myself, but that doesn't mean that it will work for everyone. I've also found that it works much better if I perform regulat Reality Checks and keep my focus on lucid dreaming high.

Maybe try taking a break from the MILD technique, and lucid dreaming for a while? Take a few nights and just dream with no pressure, who knows you might just have a lucid dream.

ypm.


Hiya smile

I wake up in the middle of the night, every night without fail and I always use it as an opportunity to try to LD. I'm sort of an insomniac so I don't do serous WBTB - but I have found that that is a good thing for trying WILD. Last night, I woke up around 5 am and decided to try MILD. I set the intention up and visualized being lucid be recognizing a previous dreamsign as best I could. Unfortunately, I couldn't get back to sleep. When I set my intention, I tried to fall asleep, but would toss & turn for a while, lose intention. Then I would reset intention and it became a cycle. Basically, I was up for 2 hours tossing & turning and then had to get out of bed anyway...!

About the RCs - honestly, I try to do them...but I will admit, my vigilance has slipped. I still try to do about 12 RCs a day.

Also, I have tried to use LaBerge's memory exercise in preparation for MILD.
BTW - I don't see much difference between the Autosuggestion technique and MILD as LaBerge describes it.

Maybe you’re right about putting to much focus/pressure on myself to LD - I just don't want to waste a night not conditioning my mind!


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

plebian wrote:

I wake up in the middle of the night, every night without fail and I always use it as an opportunity to try to LD. I'm sort of an insomniac so I don't do serous WBTB - but I have found that that is a good thing for trying WILD. Last night, I woke up around 5 am and decided to try MILD. I set the intention up and visualized being lucid be recognizing a previous dreamsign as best I could. Unfortunately, I couldn't get back to sleep. When I set my intention, I tried to fall asleep, but would toss & turn for a while, lose intention. Then I would reset intention and it became a cycle. Basically, I was up for 2 hours tossing & turning and then had to get out of bed anyway...!


Yeah that happens to me sometimes, if I cannot fall alseep after about 20 minutes or so, I usually just let go of the MILD technique. If anything I'll count in my head "1 I'm dreaming", "2 I'm dreaming".... That sometimes gives my a lucid dream.

plebian wrote:

Maybe you’re right about putting to much focus/pressure on myself to LD - I just don't want to waste a night not conditioning my mind!


Maybe plan on taking one night off a week, or one night off every two weeks. Like make sunday your day off. Maybe that will be enought to rejuvinate you? I find that if I haven't had a lucd dream in a while taking a few days off will sometimes give me one.

ypm.


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

Hey,

What's the best way to do MILD? I've been doing WBTB w/ MILD, saying my mantra out loud and even visualizing, but I dont get anything, not even Vivid Dreams...


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

Not out loud - that keeps you awake. In your head.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

KirbyMeister wrote:
Hey,

What's the best way to do MILD? I've been doing WBTB w/ MILD, saying my mantra out loud and even visualizing, but I dont get anything, not even Vivid Dreams...


Like r3m0t said, don't say your mantra outloud. The best way to perform MILD (for myself) is to get up, and write the dream that I have just remembered in my dream journal, and then go back to bed and say my mantra and keep replaying a scene in my dream where something "fantastical" or "dream-like" occured, then see myself recognizing it as a dream, and then repeat.

Basically I just perform the MILD technique as I understand it.

ypm.


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

Hi -
I think MILD worked for the first time for me this morning. I used MILD combined with WBTB. Woke up, stayed up for about 1 hr & 45 mins...during that time focused on having an LD and reading from EWLD.
Then I went back to sleep. The downside was that it took me a full hour to actually fall asleep...but once I did, I found myself in an LD smile Strange, I don't remember doing an RC or anything, I was just Lucid...


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

I always to MILD when I go to sleep. The mantra that seems to work best for me is "I will wake up after every dream". Have tried using "I will wake up at the end of each REM-period", but that doesn't seem to work at all.

The only other thing that seems to be working for me is to ask my brain to do something for me, it doesn't work very well but better than just stating something.


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Apr, 2004  Reply with quote

I repeat it a few times, and then say it out loud, really meaningfully, thinking about every word...then carry on saying it in my head.
(it's worked a couple more times now)




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PostPosted: Wed 05 May, 2004  Reply with quote

The best matra I've found is "The Next time I'm dreaming I'll remember to recognize that I'm dreaming"

The remember to recognize part is the key because you're goal is to remember to recognize/relize you're dreaming, not just to realize you're dreaming, this is a small subtle difference bt it made all the difference for me. Until I made that change in my mantra it barley worked but now I can do it at will.

Also try repeatiing your mantra until you fall asleep.


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PostPosted: Fri 07 May, 2004  Reply with quote

I don't think finding the perfect mantra is the key to MILD. About 90% of all my LDs have been from MILD and what I learned so far is that you got to train your mind to remind itself of its intention. After you do MILD for a while, usually your thoughts begin to trail off as you go to sleep. You have to try to catch yourself at least a few times and remind yourself of your intention. I usually try this as many times as possible and I eventually miss it one time and I end up spontaneously remembering my intention in a LD later (hopefully).

That's my variation, so I guess MILD can sort of be done in different ways.


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PostPosted: Mon 10 May, 2004  Reply with quote

I've had mild success with MILD (ha ha - get it? yeah, it sucks. what do you want from me?), so I may as well share my experince.

For me, I think the best mantra is the one you make yourself. You'll find it easier to remember, and recongnise it easier and stuff.

But I have one question - with MILD, are you just meant to suddenly remember that your dreaming, or do you just suddenly just remember to take a RC? Cos usually for me it's the later (not always mind).

Oh, and for anyone interessted, I try and repeat my mantra till If all asleep. I find it easy enough, as as soon as I lay down for sleep now, I automatically start saying it in my head. Sometimes I just can't be bothered (hard day or whatever), but I generally try to keep at it for at least half an hour.


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