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Monitor199a
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2002  Reply with quote

^ I agree. With a little practice I think I can learn not to move some of the time and enhance my chances of getting back to sleep.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 Sep, 2002  Reply with quote

Seems like a great method. After reading this post today i had nap and when i woke up i did it. So thanks for bringing it out. Gotta make habit of it. smile

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Sep, 2002  Reply with quote

This method is even more powerful than I thought. Sometimes I can get back into a dream after being awake for a few seconds--even hearing things in real life.

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Sep, 2002  Reply with quote

I also find this to be the best method i have tried. its just like WILD except much easier. The only thing i find is that it has to be a very soft awakening where you are so drowsy that you could fall back asleep in a split second. so it works better for me in the middle of the night if i just wake up for some strange reason than it does at the normal time i would wake up. Also you have to have something to check that you are in a dream because lots of times i have done this. and got up out of my body and thought to myself "this cant be a dream, ive gotten up for real" and then woken up, its just so damn realistic. So i usually put my finger through my hand to check.... just push it hard through the palm of your hand, and goes through and feels really cool :D

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Does this method require wearing adult diapers to bed in case you have to pee?

Most times when I awaken at night it's because I have to go to the bathroom so not moving, I'm sorry dunlar, "chaining" would be a difficult task for me. I really have to stop drinking so much iced tea... shy2


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Can this work if you wake up from a normal dream, wanting to enter a lucid one, instead of exiting a lucid dream and back into another lucid?

I'm fully capable of waking up and continuing my dream, I can even shift around in bed and still continue where I left off. (Although I am new, and still kinda doubting the fact that there is someplace in this reality where I can do anything and everything hehe) What technique should I use after waking up from a dream, and about to continue it?

thanks :}


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Whoa, I've read every post in this topic, and this method sounds very reliable! I've never had a LD before though sadblauw

I will try it this weekend, that would be so awesome if I can use this as my main method! The other ones seem a lot harder than this one.


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Fantasystar0822 wrote:
Can this work if you wake up from a normal dream, wanting to enter a lucid one, instead of exiting a lucid dream and back into another lucid?

Yes. The hard part is remembering to not move on awakening. If you can do that, you should be able to just wait for the dream to reform around you. Nothin' fancy. Maybe think to yourself "I am Dreaming" once or twice, just so you don't forget.

Hootie wrote:
I will try it this weekend, that would be so awesome if I can use this as my main method! The other ones seem a lot harder than this one.

Most of us move as soon as we awaken just from habit, so it does take effort to re-train yourself.


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hootie
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Well, I'm new to lucid dreaming as a subject, so yes, it will take time for me to train myself and get used to staying still. But this method sounds soooo much better than others.

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Fantasystar0822
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

I kind of associate 'waking up' with opening your eyes lol, Man @.@ It'll be a lot of training to not open my eyes when i wake up. It's like trying not to blink if someone pretends to hit you tounge1

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

As already said, its far easier to do from a fading LD instead of an ND. When an LD fades, youre already awake with your eyes shut.

I attempted this earlier today, however after 9 hours of sleep already, my body wanted to get up and start the day sadblauw


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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

I'm going to try my hardest to do this, even though my back screams, "FLIP OVER, I'M HURTING!!!" at me when I wake up in the middle of the night. sadblauw

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

I successfully used this tech last night, it's friggen awesome and unlike other methods it is a lot more consistant in my opinion, granted that you can remember every time you awake which isn't really any harder than how some of us remember to do a RC every time we wake up.

However I really doubt the whole "don't move at all" thing as a requirement. I mean we naturally move our bodies when we wake up during the night all the time and usually don't even remember it because we drift right back to sleep. I do agree the less movement the better and if you do achieve full consciousness(you shouldn't at all really if you were just sleeping and do have this tech in mind) it does of course help to stay still, but as long as you stay completely relaxed, you should have no problem with turning over and allowing yourself to slip right back into a dream state.

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Sleeping posture.
I have noted that the way sleep and I have learned to operate is this.

I lie down in bed, fall asleep. Wake back up. Fall deeper. Wake back up. little NREM bursts of information and passive hypnagogia, generally speaking. There is never a direct transition into REM though.

After one of these wakings up I get tired of WILDing and start tossing and turning like crazy which:
A-ruins chances for conscious WILD
B-is bad for my posture.

If anyone wants very disciplined but passively easy lucidity, and is a light sleeper like I, this is what I would recommend.

Lie down on your back. Do not roll over at all! You can stretch and flex and such, but don't roll over! That's it.

If you find yourself wanting to roll over, that means you are awake what kind of sleep did you just come out of?

If you really feel that rolling over is necessary get up and walk around and pass a little bit of time, because it means you're wide awake and have gotten lots of NREM sleep in.

then

go back and lie on your back again and fall asleep.

this is how i'm wired for it to work, eventually there being a point where i find myself having an OBE or lucid.

But it requires discipline to get up and be patient instead of rolling over and losing consciousness for the rest of the night.

But to me it's all about:
chaining. this is what I've almost always done to have the best lucidity.
and
chaining is simply a refusal to move after you have woken up!

if you discipline yourself to have one WILD posture such as on the back, and discipline yourself that you would rather get up and get a drink of water and sit for a while than ever sleep in another posture, you should eventually find yourself consciously transitioning into all REM periods, and just consciously dozing in all NREM periods.

consequently it is substantially easier to refuse to move just in the mornings, but if you have been moving all night long the chaining posture may be painful, usually when I'm "REM surfing" and extending lucidity I find that my body is naturally in unhealthy positions from shifting around all night long.


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Fantasystar0822
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

I actually tried waking up without opening my eyes, and it worked!
I woke up, ALMOST opened my eyes, and kept them shut. Unfortunately, my alarm clock was going off so i had to reach for it and click the snooze button -_- Ah oh well.

I think this can work to my advantage, Sometimes when i wake up and want to continue my [ND] I just think of where I left off and sleep again. I think if i envision myself doing a [RC] in the next scene before I sleep, it might work.

What if i do do a [RC], but just think it's part of the dream? Lol, that would defeat the purpose.


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