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Finally a novadreamer for 90 US$ maybe a supernovar dreamer
PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

Hi folks,

Great news, finally there is a new lucid dreaming induction device called the Rem Dreamer, it is made in Poland and is currently being sold in Poland, the price is 90US Dollars. I have been to the creaters website but unfortunately it is all in polish, but i will be writing to the creator and seeing if he can get it translated into english. I tried translating the webpage with a online website translator but it was difficult, i managed to get some of the words translated and it seems that this is a nova dreamer and supernova dreamer all in one device with no cables works on 2 AA batteries and costs 90 dollars which is superb. The creator says that in july it will be sold for 120 dollars when it hits the US retailers. but we better start ordering now, Also this device seems like it will have the opputernity to be upgraded by a flash bios that will be downloaded from the website in the future, which is so cool, finally we can say goodbye to 475 dollars for a supernova dreamer and get this poland device for a fraction of the cost. Also the Polish have incredible programmers.

Anyway i hope if anybody has any more information on this or if they can read polish then they have got to reply.

Happy Lucid Dreaming


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PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

Sounds good. Please keep us posted. smile

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PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

Can you give us a link to the polish site. Even if I can not read it I would still like to check it out.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

someone else posted a thread about this w/ alink but didn't get any replies
http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7057


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PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

Hi folks,

Im back again as you can see. I hope your enjoying this topic that i have made about the one and only rem dreamer, well i have some more very interesting news.

The website of the creator of the rem dreamer is:
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It also seems that the rem dreamer is the polish programmers second project as it seems he made that cool device the dream flasher which he is selling for 55 dollars, i do not know the shipping charge. Also this website outside poland is selling it for 77 dollars + 20 dollars shipping at <mod>link removed due to link policy - please no direct links to vendors</mod>

so not only a nova dreamer or supernova clone for 90 us dollars but also a dreamflasher for 55 dollars that is incredible good value for money, so you can't go wrong, your money will be well spent, i am defintely going to buy one, i have read up on how good the nova dreamer and supernova dreamer is, it works and cool i can have it for a fraction of the cost.

I hope to hear your opinions


Happy Lucid Dreaming


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PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

does it come with software to record your REM cycles and such?

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PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

I was hopeing that they would have some pictures up, but they don’t. I assume it is going to be a mask device since it has rem detection. I guess I’ll find out when it comes to the us in July. July. I am wondering they got around the lucidity institute’s (nova dreamer) patent remember a while back there was a devise called the dream mate that even looked exactly like the nova dreamer but, it suddenly disappeared.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 May, 2004  Reply with quote

Hey milod789 there are pictures if you go to the polish website

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When your there there is a list on the right, if you look a little down that list in english it says 'rem dreamer' click on it and you can see a few pictures.

and holy reality, i have no idea if it comes with software for recording rem cycles, all i know is that somebody told me that it has a possibility to be upgraded by a downloadable firware update in the future, what i believe is that it will have a port that will allow a cable to be used in the future to turn it into a supernova dreamer. I really do not know anything else, i have been trying to get in contact with the creator and i will have more news soon.

It has been said that it will go on sale in july, but like milod789 said about how sometime ago there was a devise called dream mate that even looked exactly like the nova dreamer but, it suddenly disappeared. becasue there is a patent for the nova dreamer, well from what i have heard is that it will be sold in july, but what i am thinking is maybe it will be sold quitely to the genreal public perhaps even illegaly as maybe stephen la berge will really make sure it does not get sold in shops.

Anyway we will just have to see.


Happy Lucid Dreaming


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PostPosted: Fri 28 May, 2004  Reply with quote

I just thought of something. Now I am by no means an expert on patent law but, a patent is only good for 7 years. Now you can renew a patent if you make changes to your product. For example here in the US a lot of drug companies extended there patents by doing things like changing the color of the pill. ( I am serious ) We had to pass a law to end this obscene practice. Anyway the point I am making is that the lucidity institute may be trying to extend its patent with the super nova dreamer.

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but what i am thinking is maybe it will be sold quitely to the genreal public perhaps even illegaly as maybe stephen la berge will really make sure it does not get sold in shops.


Actually I do not think it will have to be sold “quietly” in the US. If it is sold openly in Poland then they must have found a way around the patent. Poland is part of the WTO so they would have to honor a US patent and we would have to honor Poland’s .


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PostPosted: Fri 28 May, 2004  Reply with quote

NovaDreamer U.S. patent works in USA only not in Poland.
DreamMate was producting in the USA, so they stoped production, becouse of patent.

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PostPosted: Fri 28 May, 2004  Reply with quote

Hi Altar,

When the Rem Dreamer is sold in the USA, if it disappears because of the patent of the Nova Dreamer, well then say if i buy about ten of them, as i live in europe and then sell them acrooss the USA is that illegal in a way? because i thought 275 dollars for a nova dreamer is a lot to spend and 475 for a super nvoa dreamer is ridiclously large sum of money and when you can have the Rem Dreamer for 90 dollars thats amazing, so i thought of selling them to people. Would anyone here like to still have A Rem Dreamer if it's banned in the USA, because i can see if i can get some.


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PostPosted: Fri 28 May, 2004  Reply with quote

I don't exacly know, but so far as I know they will be not able to sell it in USA, becouse of NovaDreamer US patent.
So people of all countries will can buy the RemDreamer, but americans will have to buy NovaDreamer.
495 $ sadblauw


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PostPosted: Sat 29 May, 2004  Reply with quote

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NovaDreamer U.S. patent works in USA only not in Poland.

I am not sure that is quite right. As far as I know all WTO countries have agreed to honor each others patent’s. So a patent in the US should be good in Poland as well. ( I think)

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When the Rem Dreamer is sold in the USA, if it disappears because of the patent of the Nova Dreamer, well then say if i buy about ten of them, as i live in europe and then sell them acrooss the USA is that illegal in a way?


I am not sure to be honest. I’ll have to try and research that.

If the rem dreamer can’t be sold US then, perhaps we should file a lawsuit against the lucidity institute for creating a monopoly and impeding fair trade. smile


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PostPosted: Sat 29 May, 2004  Reply with quote

So far as I know WTO not include patents, becouse all counties fight very much for save its patents, so it's imposible that they all agreed to honor each others patent's.

Altar.


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PostPosted: Sun 30 May, 2004  Reply with quote

You could be right. As I said patent and trade law is not my thing. I just have a general understanding of how it is supposed to work and it gets very confusing. I would imagine the Polish company must have found way to create a similar nova dreamer devise without violating Labarage’s copy right. So long as they did not use any proprietary technology to produce it they should be ok.

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