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| I have a question: is there such a thing as a WBTB that lasts too long? For example, if I sleep for 4 hours and then stay awake for 2 hours, would that mess up my sleep cycles? |
The way I use WBTB is :
=> Wake up several hours after sleeping however you choose to do so. ( set alarm, Tell yourself I will wake up after every dream etc.)
=> Don’t stay up too long. At most just long enough to jot down a few notes in your dream journal and use the rest room.
=> Go right back to sleep using either WILD/MILD or similar technique.
I found that doing WBTB in this way works great and does not disrupt my sleep cycle at all so I can practice every night.
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| Posted: Sun 22 Aug, 2004 |
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| #Six wrote: |
Haven't been to the ld4all in many months. I "moved on" to the seaLife forums. I am on a dream team there. It's really nice.
Well, I just wanted to step in and share.
Two mornings in a row, I did the WBTB method and had great lucid dreams.
For now on, I don't see why I shouldn't always set my alarm clock to go off at 4 and half hours after I fall asleep.
After 4 & half hours of sleep(body still sleepy/mind relaxed,alert)
I get up and stare closely at a small object and say,"1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming..."
All the way to, "60, I'm dreaming"
Then I lay down and visualize the object and
"1, I'm dreaming, 2, I'm dreaming..."
Then I find myself in a dream! This has easily worked twice in a row. Yes! I should do this all the time.
Thought I'd let you all know 
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I'll have a try of that! Can we call it the #sixty technique?
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| Posted: Sun 22 Aug, 2004 |
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| gameover wrote: |
Ok...I know there's a tutorial now but I feel I need to explain the exact steps that I take because it almost never fails for me.
1:Go to sleep tired
2:Wake up 5 hours later
3:Write down your dreams that youve just had(Very helpfull!)
4:Stay awake for 60-90 minutes(90 reccomended) writing and reading in your dream journal, and doing a lot of reality checks, and staying focused on dreaming(focused but not stressing)
5:Go to sleep and(*) think about your last dream, or imagine walking around a dreamscape. Nowhere special, just walking around anywhere
6:keep thinking "I am dreaming" but don't stress yourself
Well, from my experience these steps, followed exactly, give me an almost 100% chance of having a lucid dream.
(*)you may try any method at this point but I have given the method that gives me the most success.
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Was it MILD or WILD ? did he enter LD state fully awaken?
i guess i will try WBTB then imagine dreamscape while MILDing
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| Posted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004 |
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| Squall wrote: |
Take 5 min walk outside. (If you live in a friendly neighborhood. !Important!)
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If you stay awake too long, I guess you might find it harder to get to sleep. Particularly if the sun is already up by the time you go back to bed. |
Doesn't the morning sun light make us more awake, preparing us for the day..
So wouldn't it be a bad idea to go outside like Squall says and get exposed to sunlight, or could be the other way around? The body is still extremely tired after just 4-5 hours of sleep but the mind is alert and you're more likely to stay conscious when you fall asleep..
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| Posted: Tue 14 Sep, 2004 |
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Today morning i had one of those rare chances to try out WBTB method once again. I had 6 hour sleep and after waking up i felt that it would take a bit time until i get sleep again. So i thought to use it for WBTB. So i read EWLD for 15-20 minutes, and tried to get sleep after doing some autosuggestion/MILD. After 45 minutes i finally got some sleep. My problem with WBTB is that if i stay up too long and go to bed, my sleep (what i finally get) is very deep. So what i remember is that i was in fighting arena and trainer hurried us up (me and DC's) to start to fight. I acted like in LD trying different methods to put my training partner down. I think it lasted only some seconds so when i woke up (i think that it was FA - i was very tired, so i really don't recall was it real awakening, or not), i was dissapointed for having so short LD. Then i got more ND-s, etc, until i woke up.
But trying to recall it, i'm 99% sure that it was only a false LD. In morning i read about improving your skills in LD from EWLD, and most probably it was ND where i saw myself acting out this skill improving method in fighting (although i don't need to improve it IRL), and the context didnt actually looked similar to genue LD 
Current LD goal(s): Making LD my hobby
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| Posted: Wed 06 Oct, 2004 |
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| Gameover wrote: |
Excellent tutorial! I especailly liked the part written by that "Gameover" fello on Dreamviews 
It serisouly is a good tutorial though |
ahhahahaha you crack me up, probably only because I just woke up to do this on 5 hours of sleep though  victory is mine.
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| Posted: Tue 19 Oct, 2004 |
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I did WBTB last night and stayed up for about 15 minutes. During that time I ate a Hershey's Smores bar for a midnight snack. When I woke up in the morning, I found myself extremely tired for the amount of sleep I got.
Does eating at night mess up sleep or was it just the marshmellows in there or something?
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| Posted: Wed 20 Oct, 2004 |
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| Trancewave wrote: |
I did WBTB last night and stayed up for about 15 minutes. During that time I ate a Hershey's Smores bar for a midnight snack. When I woke up in the morning, I found myself extremely tired for the amount of sleep I got.
Does eating at night mess up sleep or was it just the marshmellows in there or something? |
Do you mean you were up for a total of 15 minutes or you stayed up for 15 minutes then went back to bed. If the later how long did it take you to actually get back to sleep.
I try to stay up as short a time as possible.
I don’t know much about lucid foods but I hear cheese is supposed to be a good snack for LD ‘ing.
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| Posted: Wed 20 Oct, 2004 |
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A couple of times, I have come to work at the wrong time. Since I wasn't supposed to work for another 6 hours, I walked 4 km back home and took a nap. It gave me a LD all three times.  It takes a lot longer to fall asleep when the sun is up, but if you are sleepy enough it is opssible.
Current LD goal(s): To bring back a song
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| Posted: Thu 21 Oct, 2004 |
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Do you mean you were up for a total of 15 minutes or you stayed up for 15 minutes then went back to bed. If the later how long did it take you to actually get back to sleep |
I turned on the light and got out of bed and stayed active for 15 minutes and went back to sleep. I don't recall how long it took to get back to sleep, but it seemed fairly fast.
Also, while on the topic, do lights affect us a lot during WBTB? Doesn't bright lights for a period of time in the middle of the night make your brain get rid of all the melatonin or something like that?
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| Posted: Fri 22 Oct, 2004 |
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| Trancewave wrote: |
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I turned on the light and got out of bed and stayed active for 15 minutes and went back to sleep. I don't recall how long it took to get back to sleep, but it seemed fairly fast. |
Have you tried not staying up that long. When you wake up just go right back to sleep. In fact if you do not have to don’t even get out of bed. That is what I do and it does not disturb my sleep. I am usually only up for a few minutes just enough time to use the bathroom and climb back in bed and bak in dreamland within a few minutes after that.
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| Also, while on the topic, do lights affect us a lot during WBTB? Doesn't bright lights for a period of time in the middle of the night make your brain get rid of all the melatonin or something like that? |
Not really sure. I know sunlight has an effect but, not artificial light as far as I know. Unless you use full spectrum bulbs.
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| Posted: Wed 01 Dec, 2004 |
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wow just found this forum WBTB.. well i use am alarm on my phone to get up, does that effect you in any way when you turn it off and then just go right back to sleep using WILD/MILD techniques? does the alarm make it harder to LD or not really and effect.. but i also stay up for as little as possible which seems to work better for me since i cant get back to sleep after staying up 90 minutes.. i usually sleeo abuot 7 hours anyways..
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| Posted: Sun 17 Apr, 2005 |
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I tried WBTB last night. I fell asleep at about 11:20 or so, and set my alarm for 5:30 before that.
I got up, read LD4all for about 30 minutes, and tried to go back to sleep.
I was doing MILD, and I was tired, but I just couldn't get back to sleep. Eventually I just masturbated and that conked me out five minutes later.
Bunch of questions if someone could answer them.
1. Is a certain number of hours to sleep before you wake up better than others? (Is 6 hours better than 4 or 5?)
2. Is it really NECESSARY to stay up for 30 minutes, or could I say "Well, I'm up." then go right back to sleep?
3. Do you think masturbation's not good to the LD process? (I read the thread, but it's kind of a mix of yes's and no's.)
I don't know, maybe it just takes a lot of experimenting.
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| Posted: Mon 18 Apr, 2005 |
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| 1. Is a certain number of hours to sleep before you wake up better than others? (Is 6 hours better than 4 or 5?) |
Generally speaking, it's said you have to wake up after 3 or 4 sleep cycles, so it makes 4.5 or 6 hours.
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| 2. Is it really NECESSARY to stay up for 30 minutes, or could I say "Well, I'm up." then go right back to sleep? |
Laberge's experiments have shown that you have 4 times more LD's if you stood up for 60 minutes instead of 10 minutes.
More info at the Lucidity Institute.
So, it's not necessary to stay up for a long time, but that's better.
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| 3. Do you think masturbation's not good to the LD process? (I read the thread, but it's kind of a mix of yes's and no's.) |
Yes and no. 
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| Posted: Mon 18 Apr, 2005 |
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| Basilus West wrote: |
Yes and no. |
Ha.
Thanks Basilus West.
I tried it last night (got up at 4am after going to bed at about...10:30 or so). I wrote down some dreams and stayed up for about 20 minutes (kind of not FULLY awake), then went back to sleep.
Going back to sleep was just uncomfortable and verrrry tough. Usually I'm out like a LIGHT, but it's been this way for awhile. I was hungry, and blah blah blah, pretty much, I just need to find a reliable way of getting to sleep.
(Although masturbation puts me out fast.)
But, since I'm not sure what it does to my DR. (I couldn't even remember ANY after I woke up at 6. Maybe I just have this idea in my head that it hinders DR...? No idea. I just need a way to get to sleep.)
(It could quite possibly be that after I masturbate, I just conk right out, and don't even focus on MILD or anything. Feedback?
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