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ViperX
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

I've never experienced sleep paralysis or 'old hag'
But I want to, to see what its like.

Surely for all of us on this site, this 'old hag' wouldnt be scary because we know its not real....?
If you know whats going on, and that its all fake, why would it be scary.


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

Polyethylene wrote:
i've been having sleep paralysis every night since trying to induce lucidity in my dreaming...i wish there was a way to stop that.


SP is an excellent way to enter a dream consciously. When you're in SP, just close your eyes, visualize a dream scenario (for instance the previous dream), and feel yourself sinking into your bed. If you see visual imagery, just let them develop themselves without interfering or interacting with it. With a bit of luck you'll soon find yourself in a dream, and there's a very good chance that you're still lucid then.

ViperX wrote:
Surely for all of us on this site, this 'old hag' wouldnt be scary because we know its not real....?
If you know whats going on, and that its all fake, why would it be scary.


Have you ever tried to reconcile with a dream monster while lucid? It may seem easy to you, but it can be very difficult to set aside your fears. Whenever I'm in that position, I often KNOW these monster can't hurt me and that reconciliation can work very healing. But fear is rooted very deep and it sometimes takes quite some persistence and courage to confront with your dream enemies.
Same thing with the Old Hag, but now you're in SP, and you often find yourself irl lying in your bed. This makes the experience even more real. Plus, the Old Hag tales are often worse than the occasional nightmares, because of the suffocating feeling of powerlessness. During a nightmare, you still have the possibility to flee, but during an Old Hag experience you're chained to your bed in paralysis.
So although you can be lucid during the experience, you can never be sure how you're going to react to that spectre. That's why I think it can be a good test to see how well you can control your fears, knowing it's all just an illusion.


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Mike716
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

Just how easy is it to induce an LD from sleep paralysis? I don't want to work for SP just to have no lucid dream, and only a terrifying experience...

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mystic
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Aug, 2004  Reply with quote

Mike716 wrote:
Just how easy is it to induce an LD from sleep paralysis? I don't want to work for SP just to have no lucid dream, and only a terrifying experience...


In general I think SP induced LDs is easier than DILDs for instance. SP induced LDs are in fact WILDs, with the difference that now you're already into paralysis from the previous dream, so you don't need to put effort into it anymore to induce the trance/paralysis (which is necessary to enter a dream consciously). However, I cannot guarantee you that whenever you have SP, you're going to have a LD afterwards. In fact, whenever I have SP, I rarely go back into a LD, because the SP hallucinations themselves are sometimes quite amazing to see smile


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

i always get lucid in SP, like mystic a few posts up.

i have been having SPs since like 8 years old while on hallucinogenic fever medications. im still freaking scared of it today, 8 years later. however i learned about it and was amused, astonished, relieved, wateva that this is such a widely documented phenomenon smile

whenever i enter SP, all i want to do is get out. i am freaking scared. i am conscious of the sounds, and that i am paralysed; i try to move my eyes, vigorously move my diaphragm/breathing pattern to jolt my body out of SP. i ALWAYS want to get out, therefore i am lucid all the time in SP. SP is and was always a harrowing experience for me sadblauw. i try to sleep regularly nowadays.

now the old hag is just a MYTH. i was quite sure it was until i scrolled down reading following posts and got increasingly concerned that i could be wrong shutup lol. its a tale that supertitious societies employed to explain the crushing feeling sometimes experienced during SP. now im lucky i never had the chest constriction experience before, because i only learned about SP and old hag syndrome early this year. ive been having SPs for a long time and i would be dead from the fear if i had the old hag experience while i was 9 or something and was none the wiser.


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Dysamalex
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PostPosted: Tue 07 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

Hi,

Myth (in my humble, but extremely qualified, opinion grin ) is not "just".


AND, you might be interested to read this:
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTo pic.jsp?t=paralysis

This guy claims SP is "the holy grail" for people who want to LD / OBE. You people who get into SP all the time apparently are the lucky bastards, not the unlucky ones. That's us.

smile


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PostPosted: Wed 08 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

I've had experiences with SP for as long as i can remember. I also have experienced 'Old Hag' many times, which in my opinion is freaky as. It always scares the crap out of me. Last time i was a lot more calm tho and i had a different experience with it. I have entered a lucid dream from SP but only once. I have faith it will happen again tho.

Peace Sensi.


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

I think Sleep Paralysis is a horrible experience.

I have not experienced the old hag, but I have experienced a presence and sounds. I usually sense it before it starts to really happen and can get out of it quite easily.

I was able to WILD not being aware of the SP, thank god. I'd rather have a DILD than a WILD. But I know I have to confront my fears.

Everytime I consciously try to have a LD, I will have a weird SP related experience, where I will feel a wave in my head...kinda like "whooomp"


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

SP is horrible.
You get frozen, your superfear enters and you start to vibrate like a mofo.
And then you get pulled, what is that pull? That nasty grasping pull, that feels like the bed got shifted.


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PostPosted: Sat 18 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

Wow, i never knew so many people were scared of SP..
i had it for the second time last night and i love the feeling... Its something new and thrilling. I feel so relaxed and ready for an ld wink5

mind you i love thrill, i love roller costers, bungie jumping, high places, high speed
i guess im just that kind of person...
SP doesnt hurt or anything..


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PostPosted: Thu 23 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

hmm..im not sure if this really fits in here. but my sleep paralysis is always mixed with hypnagogic hallucinations. and...its really weird and hard to explain...but the last times i had it i heard a constant humming sound (quite loud) and couldnt move, and when i closed my eyes it felt like i was floating, at first just above my bed but then really high, and suddenly falling again---or starting to see a wood or something else where i am flying, but knowing that im still in my bed. and not being able to completely "enter" the images i have.
i try to relax and concentrate on the images but i always end up being awake again sadblauw
any suggestions?
thx


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Daita
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The Old Hag Syndrome!!
PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

WILD seems like a really awesome technique, Ive only tried it one time and was almost succesfull, got to see weird imagery stuff. but about this old hag syndrome, thats what makes me more nervous about it, and the only reason why Im rethinking to do this. I know the shadow/demon wont hurt me, but the fact that there is a "demon" in my room, sitting in my bed and all that is SCARY enough.

so Id like to know how you all have dealt with this "demon" and if you have had any bad experiences with it. also if there is a way to prevent the old hag from appearing. man I sound like a wuzz.... lol

and also... why the hell does he appear???!?!?!


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Where have you heard of this?
You do not have to worry about "an old hag" during a WILD attempt.

Some people have SP and can have a feeling of a presence in the room, but some theories are that "presense" is your own body. Don't confuse it as something bad or scary.

I've never had such an experience during attempting a WILD


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

I read about it before in the forum. and its interesting because I remember my mom told me one time that durring the time she was pregnant of me, she woke up in the middle of the night and saw a man wearing black completely covered and that he had an axe, and was about to swing at her belly (WHERE I WAS!!) lol and she said she couldnt move or scream or anything.. (Im guessing definetaly a SP) so since she was so scared she just closed her eyes and prayed, so Im thinking it was the old hag.

scary


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

"The old hag" seems to be an uncanny common occurance for many people, but I wouldn't associate it with the WILD attempt. Don't worry about it colgate

Lucid dreams are your best defense against "out of control chaos" that is nightmares.


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