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Confronting your deepest fears in LD's
PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

I've heard countless story of someone in a nightmare, realizing it's a dream, and with the flick of a wrist completely eradicating a lifelong phobia...

unfortunately I'm not one of those kinds of people.

I'm quite afraid of spiders.... it all stims back to playing Sim Ant as a child, i think..... i used to be afraid of snakes (adopted by my mother screaming at one) but I quickly realized snakes weren't scary by watching a tv show about them not a few weeks later.

Unfortunately I never had the fortune of seeing some laid back childrens show about spiders that wasn't too intense.

So... just today I had a rather screwed up LD, this alien looking thing (from the movie Alien) randomly attacked me while I was talking to my subconscious and I could not fight it off, it was too strong, I wandered over, I think at my grandparents, and you know, I sort of caught the glimpse of behind their back fence, a giant spider.

See, I think my mind was mad at me and wanted me to stop being lucid, because I prematurely forced myself awake.

anyway....

I've never once managed to bravely confront one of these things... they aren't particularly "agressive" it is the THOUGHTS running through my head and my ACTIONS that bring them to life.... example one time I saw one, it was not moving, but the second I ran and flew up in the air it jumped up and bit me and woke me up.

What good does running do me? I once tried to throw a knife at one but had no confidence and immediately forced myself awake...

fighting isn't the answer either.

Confrontation is.

I swear though, even though it isn't real, it's probably going to be one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life... in comparison, it would probably be easier to hold, say, a harmless wolf spider in my hand (hell that probably wouldn't scare me).....

confrontation... god... i'm not happy just thinking about it.

But it's something that eventually has to be done, isn't it? I'm better off for it, aren't I?

What should I do? I know, no matter how bad it gets, the only damage that will occur will be psychological (yay!).. I know that, if I go through with doing psychadelics, a genera lack of phobias would help me a lot.... (i wouldn't be doing 100% dissociative doses though)

I mean... but... knowing it isn't real doesn't help me at all... that's the thing, that's the point of a phobia, it's an irrational fear, I know it... but I can't help it... I absolutely love Tigers, they could maul my face off, I don't give a damn, no phobia there.... it's not the fear of harm, it's just... well.. it's a very normal fear to have, they CAN harm you.. but still.

they're so god damned ugly and freaky too.

someone help me, have any of you ever point blank decided to confront a very severe phobia? Did you go through with it, did it help? Did it make your dreams more pleasant afterward?

part of me wants to get it over with tonight... i can handle the feelings, it's the visuals I have never ever confronted... i've sat there and let feelings happen plenty.... let there be a feeling of spiders on me.. but.. visuals....


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

also why is my sucbonscious so hostile to me sometimes?

Is it a reflection of me as a person? Or does it simply represent inner turmoil, or is my subconscious not hostile at all, just, somehow I think it is, so it's presenting itself the way i subconsciously perceive it (haha.. weird)

...?

I mean, lately my sex demon theme is back, I'll be getting it on and the women turn into demons.... and I mean, I chastised my mind to no end about this, I think....

what's so horrible is ever since I went to astralpulse.com i've halfheartedly believed in "energy vampires" so I always worry that these "demons" are REAL and they are draining my "energy" so I try to channel energy back into me to compensate, but then they just suck my dry.... i tried gold energy because i thought gold was heavenly and it would be bad for them, but it wasn't in particular.

(i don't think they are real but i'd prefer being like i used to be where I "knew" it was all nonsense, i'm too open minded to just say "nah it's fake")

oh and I mean I was trying to use a mantra to get a hot girl to sit next to me (in real life yes, why not? it's worth a try), and one would have, except this guy took this chair next to me to use it to try to fix a projector,a nd right when he did that girl walked in and couldn't find a place to sit, as there were only like 3 places left, so she chose the one that was far away from me because no chair was near me.

is this the work of my subconscious? I mean, iif so, the thing is simultaneously helping me (be more confident/social etc) and playing rather mean jokes on me.... and giving me bad dreams about traffic accidents..... something involving November 12th no less...


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

Wow. Two long double posts. Phobias suck. I know exactly what you mean. All my life I've hated cemeteries, corpses (rotting i mean, a guy whos just been killed like in a movie didnt scare me), and that kind of stuff. And so when I started Lucid Dreaming, this would plague me occasionaly when WILDing and such. So, I just confronted it. I went up to this corpse that was doing its best to scare the crap out of me and I had a conversation with him. I asked him his name, he said it was Bob. I asked him what he wanted, he said he wanted to sell me house insurance. Corpses have never bother me since and I no longer fear that kind of stuff, though I will admit that cemeteries still make me uneasy and nervous, its not terrible anymore.

You already know that there is no physical harm if you were to confront a spider, so I suggest you do confront one. Conjure up the biggest, meanest, ugliest spider that you can, give him a human voice, and talk to him. Ask him for a name, what he wants, even ask him why your afraid of spiders. It worked for me and I've heard of it working for other people. Give it a shot I say.

And about the energy vampires thing, well, no offence but it seems kinda stupid. Just ignore it.


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

my sub C is kinda like a old friend
sometimes makes fun of you, but its all in good fun
practical jokes too...


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

I think you should confront them as soon as you become lucid and see them. I have turned to lucid few times when someone attacked me in a dream (dogs, evil Japanese who throwed me with sharp things, etc), and i immedeately went boldly to them and asked why are they attacking me. Every time they "turned rational" and started to explain the reason, and did not were violent anymore (i must say they looked pretty friendly and helping).

What still disturbs me is flying high in LD-s. I'm bit afraid of heights and even as i know in LD that nothing bad can happen to me, i still hesitate to fly too high. One reason might be that my fear might make to fall down and wake up from LD. But i have set it as my prior goal next time i see LD and i have time for that: to fly into outer space no matter what! wink5

And overcoming fears in dreams have MUCH helped me to become more bold when encountering different people IRL and also reduced my fear of heights in some degree.



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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

holy reality wrote:
oh and I mean I was trying to use a mantra to get a hot girl to sit next to me (in real life yes, why not? it's worth a try), and one would have, except this guy took this chair next to me to use it to try to fix a projector,a nd right when he did that girl walked in and couldn't find a place to sit, as there were only like 3 places left, so she chose the one that was far away from me because no chair was near me.

is this the work of my subconscious? I mean, iif so, the thing is simultaneously helping me (be more confident/social etc) and playing rather mean jokes on me.... and giving me bad dreams about traffic accidents..... something involving November 12th no less...


Philosophy and Science say: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor]Use the simplest full explanation[/url].

Coincidence, in my opinion.


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

r3m0t wrote:
holy reality wrote:
oh and I mean I was trying to use a mantra to get a hot girl to sit next to me (in real life yes, why not? it's worth a try), and one would have, except this guy took this chair next to me to use it to try to fix a projector,a nd right when he did that girl walked in and couldn't find a place to sit, as there were only like 3 places left, so she chose the one that was far away from me because no chair was near me.

is this the work of my subconscious? I mean, iif so, the thing is simultaneously helping me (be more confident/social etc) and playing rather mean jokes on me.... and giving me bad dreams about traffic accidents..... something involving November 12th no less...


Philosophy and Science say: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor]Use the simplest full explanation[/url].

Coincidence, in my opinion.


hehe well it was just something i felt like throwing in... the problem is i never get paired with good looking girls and when i do it's in circumstances where they are seated far away from me in the case of a group situation... maybe it's for the best.

so anyway i was walking along and saw some weird spider in a tree and I was like "no i don't think i'll confront it" but then it attacked me and I woke up..... it wasn't "scary" exactly but it wasn't pleasant..... it was some big black thing..... talking to one, well..... i've never been able to get dogs to talk or anything, it might be kind of hard.

some of you might recall in my dream journal my "subconscious" took me for a ride in the car and told it me was going to eliminate my fear of spiders and proceede to scare me with random encounters the rest of the night..... well it helped a small bit but.... it sort of stopped.... i also asked it why it couldn't just automatically remove the fear or make it in a controlled non-scary situation and it told me it didn't want to, or something.

i finally had a "normal" sex dream though, that's good.


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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

Confronting the spiders in your dream may well be a good thing to do. If you decide to do so go with confidence. Remind yourself that this is just a dream and that can’t really harm you. Then go face them. Who knows perhaps this will help cure you of your real life phobia. At the very least it should prevent them from tormenting you in your dreams.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

well they don't usually torment me in my dreams, they're just kind of an occasional appearance to keep me in "line" if you will.

i mean i can tell the fears are gradually fading too....


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Yeah, facing one's fears is hard, especially when your fears lie within your mind itself.

The funny thing is that with getting over fears, its like it all suddenly disappears at an unnoticed point. What i mean by this is how once you start facing your fear, the fear disappates, and you still have yet to understand the fear (which usually happens the first time).


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

well i said "fly 50,000 ft in the air" it actually worked, then it occurred to me to summon spiders, they looked really weird and i was punching them and fighting them and then i thought well i need to solve this non-violently so i said "turn spider neutral" or something and tried to talk to it, but it just kind of fell down and disappeared.

damn though, much weirder than that is i must have spent hours with some sort of dream woman, from "space" or something.... i'd just "summon" her and she'd lie up against me and we'd sort of rest in a half sleep trance for long periods of time...

when it finally occurred to me to get up I asked her to take me on an adventure and she said she'd have to kill my physical body for that to work, and I was like "you can't do that" and she was like "yes i can" and I'm like "well then, please dont'"

her name was weird, she told me to google it and the first thing that came up would be a picture of her, but i can't remember it....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

well anyway.... yeah... weird times.


oh yeah and in real life I had left my clothes amassed on the bathroom floor and some damn brown recluses were lurking in them....

i really need to stop doing that.


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Woa, your dreams are really interesting. Hey, ive experienced something like that (like a verify-in-real-life thing) but i always forget the most-important aspect of it and thus go 'damn!'


holy reality wrote:

oh yeah and in real life I had left my clothes amassed on the bathroom floor and some damn brown recluses were lurking in them....


eek2 Woa now thats freaky, those things are dangerous! *and they look freaky too*

Image 1

Image 2 (better one)

lol, why not: VERY INFORMATIVE site


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PostPosted: Mon 06 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

8D I hate spiders!!!!! I tried to confront them once when I stuck my foot in barrel full of them (LDing). I closed my eyes concentrated on scooting them off my leg, but that tingling betraying sensation was creeping into my chest and the darn thing bit me. I woke up. Haven't seen one since, hope I don't, and if I do, I can't guarantee I'll be able to confront it. I just got shivers thinking about it.

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Sentient wrote:
Woa, your dreams are really interesting. Hey, ive experienced something like that (like a verify-in-real-life thing) but i always forget the most-important aspect of it and thus go 'damn!'


holy reality wrote:

oh yeah and in real life I had left my clothes amassed on the bathroom floor and some damn brown recluses were lurking in them....


eek2 Woa now thats freaky, those things are dangerous! *and they look freaky too*

Image 1

Image 2 (better one)

lol, why not: VERY INFORMATIVE site


i'm certainly not clicking those links...

they are rather docile and fearful though so I mean... you just have to be careful and you'll be fine around them... i'm not necessarily sure that they are recluses but they hide in clothes and inside the walls so maybe.

if you want to see something really screwed up look for pics of bite victims.... it's rare that they get as bad as they do but if they do..... ughhh.


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Sep, 2004  Reply with quote

holy reality wrote:
i thought well i need to solve this non-violently so i said "turn spider neutral" or something and tried to talk to it, but it just kind of fell down and disappeared.


Slaying it is force, right? So is "turn spider neutral". You were relying on your dream powers to fix everything up. To solve the problem, maybe you should have tried to talk to it "proper"?

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Confronting your deepest fears (important!)


Couldn't put it better myself. wink5


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