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Aksel
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PostPosted: Mon 06 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

I think I have the same problem with visualizing...
Earlier I thought that I could visualize anything (6-7 years old), but I soon learned that I couldn't.

An example I thought up:
I can imagine a man in a red coat. I can imagine what shape he's in. I can imagine that he has yellow buttons. I can imagine how it would feel to touch him, hit him, even bite him! But if I were to say how many buttons he had; I would fail.

I can imagine smelling, feeling, hearing, tasting, but I can't "see".


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

Lucid_viking I just visualised that and he had as many buttons as I expected him to have. First of all the buttons were hazy and impossible to count, but when I expected to see five buttons I could clearly count them.
Visualisation seems to be similar to lucid dreaming, you see what you expect to see. If you don't expect to see anything particular something unexpected will happen.

Also I expect that visualisation would be useful in enforcing your belief that you can lucid dream. If you have mental blocks preventing you from lucid dreaming it is probably possible to remove these blocks by visualising the blocks as physical walls and then smashing them down.


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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

I think the tips in EWLD for practicing "visual-visualization" are pretty good. You know the look at something for a few moments, then close your evey and visualize it. Open eyes again, ... and so on

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

I find ZeroSkyX's suggestion to work really well for me. Sometimes in my LD's I only need a faint idea of what I want, I look away, turn back, and there it is in all its vividly detailed splendor.

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

Interesting note - people were shown and apple and told to focus on it, then were subjected to positron emission scans. they were then told to visualise the apple (without it present) and then the positron emission scan tested again.

exactly* the same areas in the scan showed up. seeing something visually is exactly the same thing as imagining the same article. in stead of being frustrated at not being able to visualise it, perhaps you should flip-side and be astounded at the fact that you can already 'see' things, thus you are already visualising them wink5

The brain doesn't process negatives, so instead of going 'danm i cant do it', invert it and go 'wow i can't believe im already doing it!'. much higher chance of success/increase in visual ability.

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* - exactly isnt totally true, but for the laymen/sociality explination it is good as exact for this model of display


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PostPosted: Fri 10 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

Best tip I can give for this. Put your emotions into it. Get immersed into it. If you are visualising getting stabbed or anything(jsut an example)feel the wound and the emotion of whats racing through your mind as you are having a metal blade inserted into your flesh. Girby out. smile

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

Listen to Noodle, he knows what he's on about.
I believe I read something similar in my coursework about the same areas of the brain becoming activated.

Personally, I read a lot - particularly sci-fi and fantasy, and I have found that over the years this has had a tremendous impact on the quality of both my dreams and my ability to visualise. My advice would be to pick up a good book which demands the use of imagination (fantasy are great for this), and watch your visualisation skills skyrocket.

Interestingly, if I read sci-fi or fantasy while I'm on a caffeine high, my visualisation skills are incredibly acute - I'd say almost waking lucidity (Waking lucidity, eh Noodle? wink). I can literally see the images in my imagination overlapping wherever I happen to be looking - but I guess this is kind of drug induced, even if it's only caffeine.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

I personally am new to Lucid Dreaming, and I have just started working towards those types of dreams. With that aside, I would say that if your reading something and the image comes to you, then run different thoughts through your mind as if they are being read to you or if you were reading them. Then that way you're telling yourself what the object should look like. If you're using your imagination to visualise something, then let your imagination run wild and say the apple should be green with purple dots and it should smell like cinnamon colgate. Not necessarily an apple, but you know exactly what you want it to look like. I may not be right in thinking this, but it may work wink.

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<mod>I merged your topic with this thread in which there were recent posts about visualization so that you can find some techniques.</mod>

my visualization skills are very poor and i would like to improve them. i would like to use visualization to help me concentrate during a WILD (like a spinning cube or something...at least until i get HI) or to help me perform a VILD. are there some exercises i can do to improve my visualization? techniques? anything?

thanks for the help
eyegug


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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

Hi eyegug,

You'll find some techniques in the thread I merged yours into. You can also search for visualization on the forum (yellow button on the top of the page). There is also another running thread about Visualisation aid.
And if you want to train your visualization skills there is a Visualization training game in the Playground too. grin

I can't help you because visualization is not my strong point, but I hope some pros will give you some advices. smile


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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

Basilus West wrote:
Hi eyegug,

You'll find some techniques in the thread I merged yours into. You can also search for visualization on the forum (yellow button on the top of the page). There is also another running thread about Visualisation aid.
And if you want to train your visualization skills there is a Visualization training game in the Playground too. grin

I can't help you because visualization is not my strong point, but I hope some pros will give you some advices. smile


thanks for merging it and helping me out Basilus West, ill see how it goes!


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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

strange how some people end up thinking about visualization, its not where you can actually see the object infront of you (that would be a hallucination) its thinking about it and forming it in your "mind's eye". visualization is used to convince your subconsious into believing something, some people dont understand this they believe that it is simply to keep your mind busy (which does happen and helps for falling asleep but isnt the actual reason for it).
the subconsious has no analytical reasoning and accepts what it is told, it understands pictures and feelings beter than words (which is why you want to incorporate all your senses into it if possible, some emotions also help).

visualization is mainly to make you SC to believe something because even if consiously doubt something but you SC does believe it then you SC overrides it. for example: i once tried a neat self hypnosis tape a few years ago before i got into LDing, while using they tape i began telling myself that i couldnt move my left arm, it was to heavy and stiff, and limp. i then tried to move my arm and i knew that there was nothing stopping it from moving but i was unable to, i tried as hard as i could and even used my other arm to throw it around but was unable to even twitch a finger. i ended up having to wait until the thirty minute tape ended before being brought out and having the effects removed.




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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

Ignorance, don't you confuse visualization and autosuggestion? I'm not sure I understand your words and your example. eh

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

right well i was tired when i wrote that so i didnt realy explain things to well, but the example is refering to the fact that if you convince you SC something then it doesnt matter if you consiously disbelieve it.
maybe i should remove the example since it doesnt really refer to the rest of the post (i added it because people think you have to absolutely believe that your are going to become lucid in order for it to happen, and thats not true)


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

Thank you for this explanation. But then I still don't understand what convincing yourself has to do with visualization. I wouldn't have thought they were related. Could you explain your idea?

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