Anna,
Can you post the links to those web pages with the photos? Didn’t think so. Hey, what can I say - you have been a great troll. I usually can resist trolls, but the overwhelming support you got from people just made me reply (trigpoe, your reasoning was brilliant…PUHLEEESE).
So, I guess my beef is not with you, but with everyone else who can’t see this as trolling (flame on people). I mean come on, she has an excuse for everything - no camera’s in my poor non english speaking country, it’s cold and i need a blanket, you wouldn’t believe the photos despite the fact that you are asking for them, i’m 100% sure they weren’t in my house even though i can’t give one reason why, i’ve done all kinds of testing that i don’t bother explaining, etc… Thank you mrvanhalen (and everyone else I don’t feel like going back to look for) for having sense to understand this is a joke.
BTW, if you look at my first post in this thread I gave Anna the benefit of doubt - while I don’t think she really took something from the dreamworld I was open to the possibility that she woke up with something she didn’t go to sleep with and hadn’t seen before. However, her multitude of excuses - weak excuses I might add - led me to believe she is a troll.
I have an idea or a suggestion to pull. I havent read the last 4 pages, but if you havent already, give some recall of each dream, and explain how you reached each object. That would help, besides that everyone might think your making this up. Just give a piece ( i dont care either way, i enjoy reading some of the controversy)
And my idea was pull out a Dream Character, if this ability you said works, try grabbing someone, see if they end up in your bedroom If it doesnt, o-well, then grab a living object, like a flower or something
Great suggestions, Hubbs. It would help if we had an idea of the dreams.
There might be a problem if that someone gets teleported from a different country though… (that is if the Dream Character happens to be a real person - another dreamer!)
I think a mod really needs to examine this topic, there’s a few posts by some members that are just flaming Anna - they aren’t posting anything helpful just hurtful.
Why wouldn’t she be able to? There are 1000s of wood carved dolls in exsistance, the odds are that YOU are infact wrong and anna could give links, there would be nothing stopping her from posting any image of any wood-carved doll and claiming it is the same. The fact she didn’t speaks volumes.
djv - i would just like to say the way you word somethings makes you sound like a troll too
If anybody sees anything they think is unfair or questionable please PM or email a Mod.
Please include links and descriptions to the questionable content.
This thread has treated Anna very rude and unfair. Editing and removing some of it’s content will be considered.
Please lets continue this thread with the same level of respect and maturity Anna has displayed.
There’s little I can contribute to this thread anymore - most has been said already. So I’ll just bring along a quote I found in EWLD (that’s right…) :
I figure that if LaBerge / Rheingold consider the possibility of bringing back objects or proof from dreamland, the least we can do is the same.
I agree with the others who said that Anna should get in contact with the Lucidity Institute and/or Stephen LaBerge to find out more about her apparent ability to bring back objects from dreams. It is an impressive claim, but to dismiss it as nonsense is foolish; what if we discourage Anna and something wonderful might never be discovered?
I’d say everyone should keep an open mind regarding most issues, including this. Now I sincerely hope (but perhaps to no avail) that Anna will post more, and if she is speaking the truth I encourage her to get in touch with dream researchers. Not to prove it to us or the world, but at least to get some answers for herself. ^^
Is it me, or is there alot of mud slinging here now??
I personally dont think it is possible to take an object from dreamworld, but still no point in attacking people who have different views…
For all we know, she could actually be believing in this hersel, she could be mixing reality with dreams or she could be lying or she could even have a special ability…
You got a great gift! keep it to yourself, don’t EVER again talk with other people about it, not here and not at any other place.
I suggest that you talk with your mother, i think you may be surprised.
Don’t EVER again try bringing living creatures and human beings into to real world, the results of such action will be insufferable for you, trust me on this.
Don’t stop developing your abilities on this field, what you have tested is only a pinch of your ability.
Next time be much more careful with what you are saying and where you are saying it.
Right - poor choice of words on my part. Meant to convey that she really didn’t look for those links. Anway, I’m pissing people off so I’ll quit posting the thread, but please remove the hooks from your cheeks people.
Been away for a few days, but can’t resist jumping in on this on LOL.
I don’t see any reason not to believe someone just because what they say may seem unlikely or not fit our general scientific understanding. If we do that, it is unlikely that we will ever learn anything.
I very much agree with Susan K’s warnings against bringing any living (and shall I add dead) creature or human from dreams to RL. It just seems pretty clear that it would be morally questionable and very unpredicatable.
With regards to “telling people” about this, I would think that is a decision that Anna could make either way understanding the consequences.
We are luckier than some people in the past in that burning at the stake has become a much rarer phenomenon.
Peace,
Sruthan
I agree with Sruthan. Just because something sounds impossible doesn’t mean it’s false. We wouldn’t get anywhere if everyone was like that. For example, consider these links…
And if you want to know more about this interesting topic go to: ormus.ws/man/Letter%20to%20M … hp%201.htm
(NOTE: This only include two chapter of the whole book. You have to buy the book at the following website to get the whole letter/book… ormus.ws/man/ROD.html)
These are links to science proofs that show that ALOT of what we think is true in science is actually false.
In other words, be open minded and keep in mind that what you think is false might be true and vise versa. And also keep in mind this quote: ‘You create your own reality.’ Whatever you think is true you will
probably always find a way to convince yourself that ‘this is right and that is wrong.’ In other words, I don’t think arguing whether something is right or wrong is going to help much in this case for ‘You will always find a way to defend your beliefs.’
Sorry, as I said in the other post about the letter to son there are two chapters. I just realized that each chapter has its separate link. So here they are:
Susan K, Susan K, Seeing as how you beleive anna, that is a very selfish idea not for you but who ever may have this ability. If it is truely out there, This is something the world should nknow about. Not necessarily know about the poeple that can do it but that its possible. Do you have any idea what this would mean if it were true. what effect it would have on the whole of humanity. Keeping it to ones self is the worest thing you could do. never tell anyone about it??? thats hidious. And telling people on a furom is a better thing to do then telling people like your parents espeshailly a forum of lucid dreamers. one Lders wouln’t react the same as most people. and two its anonimous. we can’t send her to a srink or commit her.
Any way anna disregard what susan k said. develope your so called ability and when the time is right come out with it. Who knows maybe other people that have the same ability will come out after hearing about you, who were to scared to before.
for christ sake leave your mark on the world if nothing else.
Why Susan? I think contrary to what you believe, sharing this with others is exactly what Anna should do to alleviate her fear and to acquire help.
Wow, Susan you seem like an expert in this novel subject. May I ask you how you 1. Know Anna’s mom would know anything about this (what are you suggesting her mother can do this too? If so just say that) and 2. How are you SO sure about (“trust me on this”) the limits of Anna’s abilities?
Yes, I am very intrested in why you seem to know so much about this.
If you are trying to help Anna, telling her to keep quiet is counterproductive. And last time I checked, most of the people on this forum are quite open-minded to her thoughts and experiences, with only a very few exceptions.
right on Squall. and susan k please tell me you’ve read every single one of the hundred and some odd posts befor coming to you dissions on the subject of this board.
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Mmm it seems an interesting topic has occured here while i was away…
Well Beyond dreaming is my Mod section so tomorrow i post my answer to Anna and to all dreamers that read here!
My advise till then, relax and take a deep breathe!
And dont forget to smile and to treat others with respect
Dont poke eachother just give your opinion.
I cant think of the time i last time didnt agree on something.Its rare for me.
But i think i disagree with two posts.
DreamAddict,i dont personally think that at this level of violating rules(if they were violated) any deleting is right.I see opinions,some might sound too harsh but id blame it on emotions which we all share if it comes to such a possibility.
Secondly Susan…if we listened to advices like that we would be all still in caves afraid of putting fire on cuz it may attract danger.We are not talking about a journey to polar circle.All we are asking is…please help us believe you Anna!
Take care:)
Yes… Let’s remember to be respectful here Anna posted to get opinions and advice from us… even if her statements weren’t true, who are we to decide that without proof? If you’re going to dismiss Anna’s post, fine, but there’s no need to insult others As Jeff said, don’t poke at eachother, just give your own opinion… without the rude comments!
( i dont care either way, i enjoy reading some of the controversy)
If it doesnt, o-well, then grab a living object, like a flower or something 
Anna posted to get opinions and advice from us… even if her statements weren’t true, who are we to decide that without proof? If you’re going to dismiss Anna’s post, fine, but there’s no need to insult others 