Sorry for all the grammar mistakes in the last post. I guess my mind was somewhere else while I was writting it.
But probably these tests don’t really prove whether or not the implants are made by ETs. Instead of releasing unconfirmed reports by scientists who say “they have done a test with the implants, but it turned out to have strange behaviour/properties”, scientists should finally do a real supervised scientific test, and publish the results in a decent magazine instead of giving the story to obscure websites or such. An isotopic analysis is all what it takes. But granted, most scientists don’t take UFOs serious, so they lack the motivation and will to do the testing. This too should change.
Reread points 1-4 in my previous post. There are so many possible explanations for this: memory conflicts combined with unusual dream/OBE activity, mental instability, hoaxes, Jungian archetypical imagery, simple mistakes (scars which are actually a bit older than they first thought), bacterial infections, subconscious expression of placebo effects, stress,… And probably a lot more. Or perhaps we can’t explain it yet. Science hasn’t explained anything yet you know. Far from it…
[/quote]
I found a 30 minute interview with U. S. Navy Physicist, Bruce S. Maccabee. To summarize the interview, they discuss how none of the explanations the press have gave us can possibly explain this phenomenon.
[color=red]The interview is at the end of this program, You must fastforward 1 hour to find the 30 minute interview.[/color]
https://wma.str3am.com/strieber/052204.wma
mystic, your “points” fail to give me a logical explanation of missing flesh and overnight healed wounds.
I agree, noticing missing flesh is hard to find a proper explanation for.
I agree, A person must try to make-up an explanation to why their flesh is missing. The situation is bizarre, and so the explanation they give themself may be equally bizarre.
True, and given the few possible logical explanations of why a person would suddenly notice missing flesh … well then, I suppose Alien abduction could be the only logical explanation for some people.
Yes, there are copy cats that like to imitate every aspect of human behavior. So, do they carve their arms with kitchen knives to lose flesh? mabye some do. 
but, this still doesn’t explain missing flesh that has seemed to heal in minutes, and sometimes noticed by other family members before the person themselves find out about it.
Yes, there are a large amount of UFO and Alien related hoaxes. This shouldn’t discredit all people with an encounter. There are just too many, and many of these are from respectable people. Policeman, politicians, military, and even scientist. Many of these are recorded, and some of these have actual artifacts that have been tested.
They have and they still do! Once removed the implants seem to leave very little evidence of anything exciting. Although, I’m sure there are documents of these examinations, but I don’t know if they are publicated.
The link you gave doesn’t seem to work… 
But I believe you on your word 
Well, these points don’t give me an exact explanation of the specific case you mentioned either, but they dó convince me that there are LOTS of other facts one has to consider before one states that ET did it.
Actually I just thought of other another possible explanation: the healing powers of the human body itself, regulated by the deeper aspects of the mind. One example perhaps: there are lots of taoist schools which teach how to use vital energies to heal wounds and diseases. Aliens involved? I don’t think so. The subconscious powers of belief, concentration and visualization are not to be underestimated. And these powers are not solely available for taoist masters.
Don’t misunderstand me here. I’m not saying that it’s absolutely 100% impossible that ETs are visiting us right now. But I believe there are so many other down-to-earth explanations possible that it doesn’t make much sense to me to directly involve aliens when searching for an explanation.
From what I’ve read about the topic, I can’t say I’m convinced.
The audio stream link goes up and down. You may want to try again later.
I also think that we lack the evidence to claim that it was ET.
Although, I think that this “physical evidence” accompanies memories and disturbances that strongly suggest that something has physically happened. Mental illness, hallucinations, or subconscious influence falls short of providing acceptable explanations.
I guess we have a different opinion on that one 
A new explanation for the Mexico UFOs has turned up: oil well flames 
Here’s a large post on this possible explanation.
I was under the impression that the lights were following the planes, surrounding them in a precise pattern before speeding off into the clouds. At least, that’s the idea I got from reading the initial report on the event.
Just goes to show, the people who witnessed it exaggerated strongly in favor of authentic UFOs, because they (perhaps) wanted to believe it that much. Details are created accidentally as they ponder what happened, until the story bends out of shape.
It can happen with pretty much anything.
Pilot 1: “I think they might have been moving…”
Pilot 2: “Yeah! I think I saw that too.”
Pilot 1: “Then it’s settled, they were moving really fast.”
Just like that, the story has been innocently distorted to no longer reflect the actual events. I’m very sure this happens with the majority of unexplained phenomenon.
LOL …Do you believe everything the government tells you ??
Yes there are many hoaxes out there, and there are those that have seen experimental jets .
But what about the flying objects seen back before ;when people were riding camels and horses only ?
Even in the Bible there were writings that God made the clouds His chariots.
Ezekiel saw a whirlwind coming from the north of the Kebar River, it had the appearance of polished or shiny metal and it glowed. From out of that one appeared like 4 more described as a wheel within a wheel.
Ezekiel even goes as far as describing they flew in formation , and describes landing gear.
For a primitive guy such as he was , that never seen this kind of technology , he did a good job of description, if you take the time to understand the symbolic language.
Did you ever wonder where the idea of Angels having wings came from?
It is because it is written that they had “wings under their hands”.
So now consider the speech…when you drive a car , do you not have control of it with your hands??? Something to think about aye, wouldnt ya say?!
About Ezekiel: Blumrich once made a scale model of the supposed UFO. It looks kinda bizarre actually (see here)
I’ve read a lot about these theories, mostly from Von Däniken, Fiebag and especially Zecharia Sitchin. Sitchin mainly talks about the supposed extraterrestrial connection of the Sumerians, but he also talks about all the things you mentioned. The problem however is that he mistakes myths for facts. Myths and mythologies are symbolizations of a deeper level of wisdom, richly coloured by the specific way of interpreting reality and by the overall archetypical model of the civilization in question. Myths are a coded representation of a culture’s secret wisdom, and very often only insiders can understand the true meaning of these stories. Sometimes it might happen however that the described myths resemble elements which are very familiar to us now (such as in the Ezekiel story). Sitchin however takes everything for real and forgets about the underlying meaning of its symbolism, resulting in a monstrous theory in which he connects every ancient civilization through an alien race of so-called angels (the Nephilim) who initially came to Earth in order to find gold which they needed to save their own poisoned atmosphere on the 10th planet, Nibiru. This theory is really too ridiculous for words, but that’s what you get when you interprete myths as facts.
For one explanation of the hidden wisdom in myths, read Giorgio de Santillana & Hertha von Dechend - Hamlet’s Mill
Hehe véry true Actually, we saw this last week during psychology class. The tendency of the mind to construct false memories based upon guessing and misconceptions is far greater than people normally think. The effect is most clearly seen during hypnosis and during unexpected situations in which people’s regular way of thinking is interrupted, for instance when they see a UFO. So yeah, this psychological effect clearly plays an important role here.
Well sorry to say this , but Sitchin must be a dumbass. No where in the Bible does it state the Nephilim were searching for gold (LOL). Apparently you must be taking other peoples word for this and not studying for yourself.
I have read books from some of these guys , and did my own research , and found that these guys are apparently out to fool ya.
The purpose of the Nephilim go alot deeper than that…I can assure you.
And why is it that people always take historical writings as myths for?
Do you realise how many today even think the “Holocaust” of the Nazi’s as a myth also? That happened a little over 60 years ago, and there are many who will tell you , “It didn’t happen”.
Archaeologist are even finding that alot of these people and places of the Biblical times actually existed.
However I realise our New World system keeps these things from our educational systems. They sure wouldn’t want us to believe in God or anything outside of our government.
Wait …isn’t that called socialism?
Sorry …I had to throw a litttle politics in there.
However there was a time I thought it was all bogus B.S. too. So I do understand where you are coming from.
Just like people think I am wierd when I tell them about lucid dreaming.
I know , cause I have experienced it . They haven’t , and think I am full of it.
He didn’t get it from the Bible, but from ancient Sumerian texts. Then he said the Sumerian Gods, the Anunnaki, are in fact the Nephilim from the Bible (based upon etymology or something). It would be hard to study it myself, because Sumerian is a pretty tough language to learn
Oh? Can you explain this please? The Nephilim are only mentioned in Genesis 6:4 and nowhere else. What makes them so important?
“Historical writings”? Hm, I think you’re forgetting one thing: just because we all live in a time of rational thinking, it doesn’t mean that the ancient people also used rationality to explain the world. In fact, when the book of Ezekiel was written (about 100-200BC if I’m correct), most people still had a very magical way of thinking and interpreting reality. Unlike our current rationality, these people thought the world was alive and vibrating, whereby most celestial objects for instance were personalized. They also believed that the outer world was a mirror of their inner world. Every inner action had its result on the outer world. This highly magical view was fading away, but still very present during the period when the main books of the Old Testament were written. The notion that these stories are historical writings is false a priori because this would be the explanation as seen from our current rational point of view, and not from the original, more magical point of view from the authors, which is fundamentally different from the rational one.
I would be glad too, but it would be indepth, and probably kinda long.
I am not sure if the people on this thread would really even care to hear about it. I am still new to this forum.
I could send it to you as a personal .
However I would be glad to share my findings with you.
Yes you’re probably right It would be a little too off-topic… I’m not sure either whether or not other people might be interested in this discussion. If so, then you might start the discussion in a new topic. If not, you can always send it to me as a PM, if you really don’t mind. No obligation of course 
Hey not a problem, I may even post it on a forum I am starting in Yahoo groups.
I have somethings to do today , I may get around to writing it up this evening.
It’s no problem at all ; I get great enjoyment out of sharing knowledge. My wife has told me several times that I should have been a teacher.
By the way, in all reality, the people of those days were intellegent people. Sure they didn’t have the knowledge in science we do today, but look at the heart and soul they put into their crafts. The tools they developed and used. They knew enough of the basics to survive. They really were no different than we are today, except through technology.
However I wonder how many of us today would have the ability to survive as they did. What if something happened to where we lost electrical power; lets say for just a month. It would be horrific. Think of the chaos.
We live in world of convienence. Think about it
As far as magic goes. I still see things as magical. I am still amazed at television, and I worked with electronics since I was a child. I consider these damn processors in computers magical.
I am in awe when I consider the works of God from the universe on down to the human mind. That within ourselves we are all directly linked to our universe and solar system. Once we loose the magic of seeing that, then to me life would have no meaning or purpose.
Sorry … I get deep sometimes.
Ok , I gotta git goin. Send you that info later…
Hehe thx
I agree that they were highly intelligent, and probably much more intuitive than we are nowadays. But the way they looked at the world was still quite different than ours. You see, through the millenia, humans as a species have evolved through a whole spectrum of consciousness. The major stages were pre-archaic, archaic, magical, mythical and rational-existential nowadays. Ofcourse there are lots of variations, hence the spectrum. This doesn’t mean however that the prior stages are inferior to the higher ones: every stage has its own inherent truths and a unique perspective to life and reality. But it means that we have embraced and transcended the lower stages. So I think they were not only different in comparison with us through technology, but also through philosophy of life.
But as I said, this is about the stages of the average human consciousness. Many people are still lingering in lower stadia (this doesn’t have to be a bad thing though, as you already explained by the survival skills of the Ancient Ones), while others have already climbed up to the outer edges of the spectrum, the mystical mind.
Exactly! Then you also understand why it is so hard to explain myths from a rational point of view. It’s like the shape of clouds: magical people may see the most amazing stories in the clouds. When rational people look at clouds, they may see only… vague figures. They don’t understand the shaman with his great cloud stories. And because of the difference in perspective, the rational scientist is only able to explain these fantastic stories from his own perspective, with the vague-figures-clouds. Ofcourse this gives a very distorted view.
Different world views (for instance magical-rational/existential as in your case) are very hard to unite. If the shaman who saw all these great cloud stories, should suddenly see as a rational scientist, I can understand he would get pretty depressed
But again, this is all highly generalized.
I find it amusing how so many people think that UFO means the same as Alien Space Craft. UFO means Unidentified Flying Object, which can be anything, terestrial or otherwise, which you don’t know what it is. Once you know what it is, it’s no longer a UFO it is an Identified Flying Object
Once something is proven to definately be alien spacecraft, it’s no longer a UFO.
So those pictures, they are definately UFOs, because nobody has identified 100% what they are.
I agree. These days, though, you might as well forget what it stands for and just assume people mean Alien Spacecraft. Everything will make a lot more sense when you do (ironically).