Military draft in spring 2005, for real

we also have other countries ripe for invasion, too

there are plenty of anti-american domestic factions in this country with lots of firepower, to the other guy, you just obviously DON’T HEAR A DAMN THING ABOUT THEM on CNN

such as the Texans caught with a hell of a lot of sodium cyanide bombs and automatic weapons, they probably had other conspirators that are still on the large.

It got pretty much zero media coverage, becuase, they aren’t brown people, you can’t have people scared of each other if you want to keep people in line, you have to have them scared of foreigners so they rally together.

thememoryhole.org/terror/tyler-terror.htm

you can find brief mention of this stuff on cnn.com and whatnot but their articles were written several months after this whole thing happened.

also remember how much fuss they made over the dirty bomber (mexican gang member I think) that was eventually let go, I think due to unlawful detention without being charged with a crime… (which is great that they eventually cracked down on those abuses) but… I mean, normal white folks actually have bombs and you don’t hear about that at all?

A. Holy Reality? Why do you always write soo much in your posts?

B. You don’t have to take a whole leg, just a few toes, or at most a foot.

C. America is screwed up, face it- thats what happens when Bush is in office. I have not seen one LDer support Bush, I think because LDer’s tend to be knowledgable.

D. We can bitch about it all we want but if it’s really true, all we can do is each cut a toe off and be gone with it. That, or claim we have cancer.

E. Do drafts apply to women yet?

F. If this really goes through congress, I will be sad… and they will have to live with making alot of people cry for their greed.

G. I like lettering my organized statements. ^,^

Is there anything wrong with what I’ve said?

Eep… double posted.

A. Holy Reality? Why do you always write soo much in your posts?
I have a lot to say.

B. You don’t have to take a whole leg, just a few toes, or at most a foot.
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C. America is screwed up, face it- thats what happens when Bush is in office. I have not seen one LDer support Bush, I think because LDer’s tend to be knowledgable.
I don’t see why this matters, I’m just spreading information and anti-US government ramblings to those who will listen, and hoping to show some people things they may not have been aware of.

D. We can bitch about it all we want but if it’s really true, all we can do is each cut a toe off and be gone with it. That, or claim we have cancer.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about at all, if everyone were well informed of what their government were doing we wouldn’t have these problems to begin with.

E. Do drafts apply to women yet?
Have you not read this thread? If the draft is reinstated then yes, this will apply to women, it will be more of a “every us citizen has to serve, no matter what” like some countries make you serve when you get out of high school, but I guess it could also just be used for emergency draft purposes.

I think women should have to sign up for selective service though, it’s only fair.

F. If this really goes through congress, I will be sad… and they will have to live with making alot of people cry for their greed.
yeah.

G. I like lettering my organized statements. ^,^
okay then.

^,^ I enjoy the sarcasm and apprehensiveness coming through in your text. ^,^
B- To dodge a draft

lol, thanks, I mean the sarcasm in a friendly way, which is how I’m hoping it was perceived. It’s kind of hard to use sarcasm on line.

But yeah, I see what you are saying now… i thought you were using the toe as some sort of metaphor about speaking out against the government, that it was pointless, or something.

I have asthma and a history of depression and probably enough evidence to prove I’m “gay” if a draft ever came up (i’m not, but I don’t exactly have a good record with women), so I could probably stay safe from combat service, but they might make me do something.

I think you have to at least do community service if they declare you a conscientuous objector, but I guess it’s better than jail.

First, from what I understand this whole draft legislation was put together by democrats and republicans alike who are apposed to the war in Iraq. From what I understand they are hoping to frighten us into putting pressure on bush to put and end to this war. Unfortunately it is not working very well. I don’t think there are many people who even know about this proposed bill. Too many other things are dominating the news coverage. The bottom line is they know the bill will not pass. This hole thing is just a political stunt. ( I hope )

Well I might as well keep with the same format:

I understand that you have a lot to say and I encourage you to say it. But, I do agree that your post are a bit lengthy and the get hard to follow after a while. Please take this as constructive criticism and not an insult. I would like to get a better understanding of the points you are trying to make but, some times I just can’t get through your long posts.

I think our efforts could be put to better use by getting more involved with the political process. We should encourage more people to vote. Especially younger people who are often the most effected by the laws that are created. Perhaps even run for a political office ourselves. One of the local townships in my area has a Mayer who is only 21 years old. Unlike our European counterparts we, as a society, just do not get involved in politics. Many think the subject is bearing. Then when they want to go to collage and find that they can not afford it who’s to blame? As we saw in 2000 every vote does count. Anyway, it is just a thought.

Wow, I never knew you could even be a mayor at 21. Maybe I can be the next mayor of Des Moines. Mayor is a overrated job though, but still, being a mayor at 21 is still pretty good.

I’m 19 and I plan on voting in November. I read everything I can on local politics. I wish there were more younger people like me though, I feel I can’t talk to any of my friends about this stuff because I’m the only one that really does it.

I do agree that the draft bill could be a stunt to hurt Bush. I have heard Bush quote that he did not support the draft. A lot of radio hosts seem to take it really far though, just because it was proposed. Doesn’t mean much in the long run, only if it stays in the agenda.

I doubt our generation would even tolerate gas lines, let alone the draft. We’re just not used to major government interference like our ancestors had to deal with.

Unless there is additional legislation (such as the constitution’s rule that you need to be 35 to be pres), you can hold any office at age 18, same as voting age.

wow… I should run for every office I can get my hands on and convince kids my age that I’m cool.

I don’t know what the hell I’d do as I don’t know the first thing about politics, I’d probably get fired for reforming drug laws and trying to take down censorship.

and assassinated

voting is pointless, if you dont’ vote for Kerry or Bush your vote doesn’t matter, as we’ve seen, Florida is cool with election fraud (really just look it up, there is so much out there)… I mean they are already pulling the stupid convict stuff again this year, but people are wise to that and fighting it.

Diebold… www.blackboxvoting.org read some of it, it’s disturbing… I’m glad California has removed a lot of their machines.

This election is not ours, so Kerry wins, SO WHAT? He’s no hero… he’s no reformist… what happens in 2008? He’s a damn skull and bones just like Bush too…

you know, what will we see if Kerry takes office? We wil see some reform of the Patriot Act, hopefully, that’s good, maybe some small sensible changes to drug law… some refinement of Bush’s environmental massacre, but in the long term, we are still forced to choose between one of two parties, everyone always says “no, don’t vote third party, this election is too important!”

when are we going to stand up and say we won’t take anymore?

Not until it’s too late probably, and in actuality, it probably is too late.

Apathy and propoganda have already destroyed us as a nation.

downward~spiral

Yes you can. In fact you can hold a political office at the age of 18 if you could get elected. Yes being a Mayer of a small township may be an overrated position but, it is a start. By getting elected to city council positions, school boards etc. would be a good place to build up a political base. Then move on to a state legislature position.

Right now decisions are made by long time politicians who are completely out of touch with real people. It is great to here you take such an interest in politics. The more people get involved the more likely we can promote real change.

Monitor199a

Really, we are not too far from that right now. Have you seen the obscene gas prices ??? What about the patriot act ??? Right now my state is talking about creating it’s own state version of the patriot act to go after ordinary criminals. I think other states are as well.

We could probably end the obscene gas prices if we just got organized and boycotted gas stations for just a week. That means buy no gas, lotto tickets, nothing. I know there have been attempts at this but, they never amount to anything. We just pay at the pump and go with the flow because we do not want to be inconvenienced for just a week.

Anyway, this draft bill will likely never come to a vote let alone get passed.

Frankly, I’m not sure why there are still non-believers for this.

The SSS had an increase of 28 million dollars in their budget a few months ago.
democraticunderground.com/di … _id=716016

“Local draft board volunteers, meanwhile, report that at training sessions last summer, they were unexpectedly asked to recommend people to fill some of the estimated 16 percent of board seats that are vacant nationwide.”

“Stars and Stripes, the Army’s official paper, reports that a poll it conducted found that half the soldiers in Iraq say they are “not likely” or are “very unlikely” to reenlist…”
salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/03/draft/

tbrnews.org/Archives/a708.htm

The reason the Pentagon/White House isn’t talking about, and the reason no news agencies are talking about it, should be obvious–they don’t like political suicide.

For the draft to effect you how old do you have to be?Also killing people is not an issue i would have if civil war broke out or if the draft did take place.After the rush and yet sickness from the first kill you would come to find that blood is very pretty when out of the body and you will be over come with a bloodlust.and dont chicken out of a draft that is lame,just go to war and play it smart and have faith and you’ll survive.

It’s been a long time since we did this, so I may be a little off.

First they draft the 20 year olds. They draw dates out of a lottery and you get drafted in order depending on your birthday. So if they draw June 11th then all 20 year olds born on June 11th get drafted first.

After the 20 year olds they do 21 and 22, then 19 then 18.

At least that’s how I think they did it. Last time we had a draft it was only men, and I would suspect there would be more than enough so they wouldn’t draft women.

The draft is for ages 18 to 26 I believe.

Doesn’t Matter What You See?
Or into it What You Read
You Can Do it Your Own Way
If It’s Done Just How I Say

…

Soldier boy, made of clay
now an empty shell
twenty one, only son
but he served us well
Bred to kill, not to care
just do as we say
finished here, Greeting Death
he’s yours to take away

Back to the front
you will do what I say, when I say
Back to the front
you will die when I say, you must die
Back to the front
you coward
you servant
you blindman

…

Spineless from the start, sucked into the part
circus comes to town, you play the lead clown
Please, please
spreading his disease, living by his story
Knees, knees
falling to your knees, suffer for his glory
You will

Time for lust, time for lie
time to kiss your life goodbye
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
Make a contribution
and you’ll get a better seat
Bow to Leper Messiah

…

and finally

Timothy Leary sample:

Think for yourself
Question authority

Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening,
terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in
this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the
religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by
giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their
view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and
learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness;
chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself.

Think for yourself.
Question authority.

It’s very foolish to kill a man because someone tells you to.

A. Justin- you’re a fu… freakin dumbass. And I know you know it too. You say it more than I do.

B. It is foolish to kill a man because someone tells you to.

C. Did this Timothy Leary fellow every realize that if someone read this then thought for themselves, they would be doing the exact opposite of what he told them to do, by doing what he told them to do, because he told them to think for themself and don’t pay attention to the authority.

D. True authority comes from Experience in a field of which you can be called an authority.

E. Y’all suckas got served.

C. Did this Timothy Leary fellow every realize that if someone read this then thought for themselves, they would be doing the exact opposite of what he told them to do, by doing what he told them to do, because he told them to think for themself and don’t pay attention to the authority.

probably… it doesn’t matter. You have to have something make you start questioning authority, if you live in a society that says it is wrong you will not naturally do so very easily, except for teen years, but religion or peer pressure or fear of damnation or just chastisement from family can prevent you from ever questioning anything, hence you adopt idenitity foreclosure and just be whatever everyone else that shapes your beliefs is.

Paraodxes aren’t necessarily paradoxes either, our language is just limited… his quote, if taken seriously, might spark a general interest, and might spark you to agree with him in theory, which a long way down the right might make you live up to what he is talking about.

And if so, you wouldn’t be following him, you’d just be taking a little bit of his advice… if you just do whatever he says then you aren’t following him to begin with, so…

As I said, paradoxes suck, you can be alone in a crowd, no matter what the literal meaning implies, hence the futile nature of obsessing over the seemingly contradictory.

yeah… so anyways… why do all you crazy people have “Wu” in your in names?

and i just posted random quotes because i was lazy and didn’t feel like saying something that has already been said by famous people better than I can… it’s also a Tool cliche to tell people to think for themselves, so I found it fun to use him.

i wouldnt kill someone because i was told to.i think for myself all the time,not my fault i alsways screw up because of it though.The reason to kil would be because i could duh.another thing that guy whom you wrote down about was prettty smart but i dont think i should listen to that you know,but very smart i must admit.
2.i am not stupid for what i wrote think about it everypone has thought about killing.Below all the tolerance & self control you see on tv you know you want to.that is what ld is for but you dont get the rush you would probably normally get.

I don’t agree with what you said. I don’t think it would take one kill and you would want more. Do you think the people that killed people in the 1960’s are happy because of it and have to control themselves from killing anyone around them, just for the enjoyment of blood?