and i’m sorry if i’ve upset or offended anyone with my angsty ranting…
Holy Reality
It is not a matter of being offended. I understand that there are a lot of things you want to change here in the US. There are a lot of things I want to change. We change things by getting involved. We change things by voting. We can not change things with hatred. A lot of your posts come off as a hatred for America and that is all people hear because they are turned off by it. You can be outraged by the actions of an administration, laws that are passed etc… You should be. I think you will make a good advocate ( for what ever cause ) some day. You just need to learn to fine tune your message. We as a society can change things and I am proud to live in one of the few countries where that is possible.
sorry for going off topic a bit but, I just wanted to reply to your last post.
Nic
i brought the thing about the guy crying to make you understand the differences (can’t put it better in words… hope you understand) we were just playing around with him
my post wasn’t for or against male circumcision, i really don’t care, it’s just that i won’t ever cut anything on my penis, i wouldn’t care if I was a baby when it was done… but now? naaaww
and don’t call me stupid you muthafucking faggot… bet you wouldn’t be so fucking tough in real life
peace out
A little hostile now are we? I didn’t mean to call you stupid… well if i did, i didnt mean it. but lol, yeah i wouldnt have it done now either. ouch.
Well this topic brought quite some spice on the forum!
I didnt even knew circumcision was done at such a large scale in America, still i find it something of there culture and not to be judged by me.
I knew it from israelisch and never stumbled over that one before.
Only thing is that i find they should ask the parents first!
But maybe they ask infront…no idea.
Other thing is, i never heared of any infections here in Europe because males hadnt done a circumcision, so the question is, is it really so necessary!
I just read around the net, reading both pro and con circumcision… What i found, was that many people/doctors actually recommended that they waited with circumsision until the person is adult. Performing this operation on a baby, will most likely destroy the sensetive nerves, while this wont happen in most cases with adults… It also seems like this is mostly done only for hygienic reasons or tradition/religion… I really did not find any other benefits…
So i really dont understand the argument that this procedure should be forced onto kids, when it is actually much less risky to do it on an adult.
Also something to think about:
I don’t know anymore. All I know is what we have all been told. It is supposed to be a “good” thing to have done. But, health reasons aside if someone wanted to do that to me now I would say no! 
That one I can answer. If they waited till we were adults no one would have it done. 
Yes I understand that Milod789!
Well i live in the Netherlands and here most have not had a circumcision and i never ever heared of problems from that.
I can imagine in Africa where most ppl dont have water to have good body hygiene it could be a problem maybe.
Well many decissions it seems are still taken cultural, bit on a collective level even and not so much individual yet.
We think we live in a free system but still we are much dominated by our culture inheritance. And then i dont mean just America but Europe, Africa, Russia and China and the rest just as well.
Well the human race is young lol…we will evolve 
hopefully!
I agree with that. Though that is a topic in its self.
Happy Dreaming
It is Milod789 i told it so ppl see the logic behind this all…the why such things happen.
I wanted to add a bit philosophical flavor to it
NO it doesn’t cause infections… let me explain…
In the Bible God told Abraham that he was to circumsise every male in the jewish faith. From then on it was just passed down as a tradition. Then later on when modern day science came around, they discovered that around the 8th day, the day that the male was to be circumcised in the old jewish faith, a bloodclot has a high risk of forming in the foreskin of a males penis. From then on it was just done as standard procedure, and rumors were spread that infections and other weird things would start to happen if they didn’t cut it off so people were basically scared that if they didn’t cut it bad things would happen. Well nowadays people are starting to forget all of that stuff and just leave the penis the way it is from birth.
…Thank you…
"I can but it can take upwards of an hour and is the harshest thing on the world to me… "
what the fuck
i pity you
When i was 3 weeks old i have been operated upon. A belly operation. The sedation didnt work properly. I have found that out only lately.
During my life i always have had a recurring nightmare where bowling balls from the ceiling fall on my tummy and i cannot move or yell it hurts. And man it hurts so bad.
That is my memory from that operation. So I know from experience that as a baby you do have memories and you do feel pain. I’m very very very pain sensitive as of this, because i had to go through this as a young age.
I have been informed that in the sedation are different components. Pain killers and muscle relievers. In my case the pain killers werent enough, but the muscle relievers where. I couldnt move or cry. Man even writing this brings tears to my eyes again.
My mum told me that they only gave me a light sedation because i was a baby, so that explains it too.
so that is why i find you never never want to induce pain on a baby unless it is absolutely necessary.
In my case it was necessary otherwise i would have died. The doctors thought they gave me proper sedation and that i wouldnt feel it.
I know the docters in the USA dont do this with some kind of evil intent, they think they are doing the right thing and the baby isn’t hurt.
exactly my point before.
The more I hear about this the more I think it should not be done. At least not to babies. If I ever have kids I don’t think I will allow it to be done.
I agree Milod789!
Why do something so drastic to your kid when it isnt necessary at all.
Its more a cultural choice and habbit.
Wow!
THat’s a huge fear of mine, I think if I ever have surgery I’m going to try for hypnosis instead of actual anesthetic, that way if it hurts I can yell at them and go on some sort of rampage and whatnot… and they’ll know to stop.
but then again I’m not sure how hypnosis works, maybe part of me feels the pain and goes through hell but part of me doesn’t I wouldn’t want ANY part of me feeling it, even if it’s not “me” per se.
It’s kind of weird because when I come off of the surgeries I have I get the most horrible pain in the world but it only lasts 3-4 seconds, like, the pain was blocked all that time so as soon as it’s unblocked it overloads on me.
It sucks…
another thing I hate ( i bet some other countries are this way ) are our bullshit euthanasia laws, in some states you have to DEHYRDATE comatose people to death (one of the worst deaths imaginable) because it’s illegal to flat out pump them full of deadly drugs to make them die “painlessly”
god stupid ignorant self righteous conservative bastards… (if someone states that they would want to be euthanized painlessly in given medical situations, what business do you have saying “NO!” it’s like this whole gay marriage nonsense)
euthansia needs to be 100% legal, if I’m comatose and I’ve no chance of coming back I want to be killed, but not by damn dehydration…
I swear if someone I care about was like that, and I knew they wanted to die, just like I would… I’d just smother them and hope to get away with it rather than have them go through dehydration… I mean the doctors are like “I’m of the opinion that she is not ‘there’ and does not feel pain”
well you’re of the opinion it’s GOOD to chop 35% of the penis off you cracy quacks…
how competent are our doctors in the first place if they never even sto to question “hey why do we mutilate babies, this can’t be good for them” ?
If they think putting me on 300mg of effexor will solve my problems? If they think you cannot use marijuana resopnsibly…
the list goes on.
Wait so are you saying that you are for or against gay marriages?
I’m for equality.
So yes I’m for gay marriage.
(hey you know what i’d might as well make a gay marriage thread.)
are you for euthansia??
You do realize that euthansia, if legal, would be used towards people that usually can’t answer for themselves?
that’s what we having a living will for.
you know like, plus, you could go and read my forum writings and see that as of XX/XX/XX I wanted to be euthanized if comatose for a long period of time… and so you’d be okay with doing it to me…
or vice versa…
I mean no you shouldn’t just go kill the comatose, you need to see how they feel about those things… etc… for me, I’d want it done.
I should have that right, shouldn’t I?
Granted you can change your mind though, it’s scary business… so is being comatose for 60-70 years.
the problem with the living will is still, often times, you cannot become euthanized via you know, drugs… it’s either dehydrate or suffocate (if you’re on airtifical lungs)