The BIG WBTB Topic - Part II

Does anybody have any tips for getting to sleep? I had my alarm set for 4:20, but I couldn’t get to sleep by 10:20. Then, I changed the alarm to 4:50, but I still wasn’t asleep. It’s probably because the last time I tried this, I had an awesome lucid dream. Maybe I’m just excited?

Anyway, how do you guys get to sleep?

I have a question: is there such a thing as a WBTB that lasts too long? For example, if I sleep for 4 hours and then stay awake for 2 hours, would that mess up my sleep cycles?

It’s hard to provide solid advice, but here’s a tip: Don’t move. Find a comfortable position, and just don’t move. That always helps me when I’m having one of those frustrating nights and simply can’t get to sleep. Also, I often find it difficult to doze off when I have something on my mind, like anticipation of an upcoming event, or reflection over a conversation I’d just had. Try to prevent your mind from forming words or sentences by concentrating on a picture or scene. Failing that, sometimes I find listening to a good self-hypnosis recording just before bed can make me quite drowsy. I have one by Dick Sutton that’s guaranteed to do the job.

If you stay awake too long, I guess you might find it harder to get to sleep. Particularly if the sun is already up by the time you go back to bed. Also, after two hours you might have trouble reiterating over the dreams you had earlier, so your MILD practice might not be as effective as if you’d only stayed away 30 to 60 minutes. Finally, a great way to spend the time during WBTB is reading about lucid dreaming, since it primes you for an on-topic dream upon returning to sleep - and in two hours you’d probably be distracted by a number of other topics at the same time. Just my thoughts, anyway.

WBTB did it for me last night. I just want to re-state how much it helps :smile:

I use a self hypnosis tape by Stephen LaBerge that does the job everytime. Getting a tape/CD like this from your library should be pretty easy. It relaxes you beyond belief :smile:

WBTB Method Tutorial

dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6147

Excellent tutorial! I especailly liked the part written by that “Gameover” fello on Dreamviews :smile:

It serisouly is a good tutorial though

The way I use WBTB is :

=> Wake up several hours after sleeping however you choose to do so. ( set alarm, Tell yourself I will wake up after every dream etc.)

=> Don’t stay up too long. At most just long enough to jot down a few notes in your dream journal and use the rest room.

=> Go right back to sleep using either WILD/MILD or similar technique.

I found that doing WBTB in this way works great and does not disrupt my sleep cycle at all so I can practice every night.

I’ll have a try of that! Can we call it the #sixty technique?

Was it MILD or WILD ? did he enter LD state fully awaken?

i guess i will try WBTB then imagine dreamscape while MILDing

Doesn’t the morning sun light make us more awake, preparing us for the day…

So wouldn’t it be a bad idea to go outside like Squall says and get exposed to sunlight, or could be the other way around? The body is still extremely tired after just 4-5 hours of sleep but the mind is alert and you’re more likely to stay conscious when you fall asleep…

Today morning i had one of those rare chances to try out WBTB method once again. I had 6 hour sleep and after waking up i felt that it would take a bit time until i get sleep again. So i thought to use it for WBTB. So i read EWLD for 15-20 minutes, and tried to get sleep after doing some autosuggestion/MILD. After 45 minutes i finally got some sleep. My problem with WBTB is that if i stay up too long and go to bed, my sleep (what i finally get) is very deep. So what i remember is that i was in fighting arena and trainer hurried us up (me and DC’s) to start to fight. I acted like in LD trying different methods to put my training partner down. I think it lasted only some seconds so when i woke up (i think that it was FA - i was very tired, so i really don’t recall was it real awakening, or not), i was dissapointed for having so short LD. Then i got more ND-s, etc, until i woke up.

But trying to recall it, i’m 99% sure that it was only a false LD. In morning i read about improving your skills in LD from EWLD, and most probably it was ND where i saw myself acting out this skill improving method in fighting (although i don’t need to improve it IRL), and the context didnt actually looked similar to genue LD :neutral:

ahhahahaha you crack me up, probably only because I just woke up to do this on 5 hours of sleep though :bored: victory is mine.

I did WBTB last night and stayed up for about 15 minutes. During that time I ate a Hershey’s Smores bar for a midnight snack. When I woke up in the morning, I found myself extremely tired for the amount of sleep I got.

Does eating at night mess up sleep or was it just the marshmellows in there or something?

Do you mean you were up for a total of 15 minutes or you stayed up for 15 minutes then went back to bed. If the later how long did it take you to actually get back to sleep.

I try to stay up as short a time as possible.

I don’t know much about lucid foods but I hear cheese is supposed to be a good snack for LD ‘ing.

A couple of times, I have come to work at the wrong time. Since I wasn’t supposed to work for another 6 hours, I walked 4 km back home and took a nap. It gave me a LD all three times. :cool: It takes a lot longer to fall asleep when the sun is up, but if you are sleepy enough it is opssible.

I turned on the light and got out of bed and stayed active for 15 minutes and went back to sleep. I don’t recall how long it took to get back to sleep, but it seemed fairly fast.

Also, while on the topic, do lights affect us a lot during WBTB? Doesn’t bright lights for a period of time in the middle of the night make your brain get rid of all the melatonin or something like that?

Have you tried not staying up that long. When you wake up just go right back to sleep. In fact if you do not have to don’t even get out of bed. That is what I do and it does not disturb my sleep. I am usually only up for a few minutes just enough time to use the bathroom and climb back in bed and bak in dreamland within a few minutes after that.

Not really sure. I know sunlight has an effect but, not artificial light as far as I know. Unless you use full spectrum bulbs.

wow just found this forum WBTB… well i use am alarm on my phone to get up, does that effect you in any way when you turn it off and then just go right back to sleep using WILD/MILD techniques? does the alarm make it harder to LD or not really and effect… but i also stay up for as little as possible which seems to work better for me since i cant get back to sleep after staying up 90 minutes… i usually sleeo abuot 7 hours anyways…

I tried WBTB last night. I fell asleep at about 11:20 or so, and set my alarm for 5:30 before that.

I got up, read LD4all for about 30 minutes, and tried to go back to sleep.

I was doing MILD, and I was tired, but I just couldn’t get back to sleep. Eventually I just masturbated and that conked me out five minutes later.

Bunch of questions if someone could answer them. :smile:

  1. Is a certain number of hours to sleep before you wake up better than others? (Is 6 hours better than 4 or 5?)
  2. Is it really NECESSARY to stay up for 30 minutes, or could I say “Well, I’m up.” then go right back to sleep?
  3. Do you think masturbation’s not good to the LD process? (I read the thread, but it’s kind of a mix of yes’s and no’s.)

I don’t know, maybe it just takes a lot of experimenting.