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Limitles
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun, 2011  Reply with quote

i believe this is completely possible just it can only happen under the right rare circumstances. If someone ever says no, thats not possible, thats against "the laws of physics" Well im pretty sure 200 years ago people would of said the same thing about a telivision. Look at us now! the laws of physics are just the KNOWN laws of how things work. But believe me- the unknown world is alot bigger. Maybe tomorrow someone will bring out a book from their dream, the next day something bigger! you just never know. But i for one, am definiately going to try this.


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2011  Reply with quote

if you can do that, then please take the object to a laboratory and have it analyzed.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2011  Reply with quote

I've heard of people who brought cuts and bruises back into waking life. smile


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2011  Reply with quote

@tukkek: People who are saying that the law of conservation of mass and energy might be wrong: the universe would explode with energy if that law were not obeyed.

@Dragonmind: Bringing physical symptoms back from dreams is not a supernatural process. As someone pointed out, the mind manifests these symptoms but more importantly studies have been done that show that events in dreams can trigger corresponding physical "symptoms". Stephen LaBerge documents the experiment in one of his books (the experiment was actually done on lucid sex, where it was discovered that men would have all of the physical symptoms of real orgasms, except ejaculation, IRL while having a dream orgasm).

Also heres the poem if anyone cares:
"What if you slept, and what if in your sleep you dreamed, and what if in your dream you went to heaven and there you plucked a strange and beautiful flower, and what if when you awoke you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?" -Samuel Taylor Coleridge

I'd also like to add that I'm pretty sure the poem is referring to bringing back some sort of mental "fruit" into the waking world, not physical objects.



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PostPosted: Sat 04 Jun, 2011  Reply with quote

solpic wrote:
@tukkek: People who are saying that the law of conservation of mass and energy might be wrong: the universe would explode with energy if that law were not obeyed.


Correction: it might explode. It might not. It might behave just like it does, but for different reasons. It might even be exploding somewhere we can't see.

All we know are the results, not the actual laws. Newton was right until Einstein proved him wrong, but by very little - in terms of results, not theory. The theory was completely different. Einstein himself might be wrong by even less, but his explanation makes predictions that turn out to be exact - to our current measuring capabilities, just as Newton's were, back then.



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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

What happens to the matter that gets sucked into a black hole? Spread the black hole more? That would be creepy, eh, but you're both right.


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Hemming wrote:
I read a book where a character could do that, but it turns out he wasn't actually dreaming, just passing into another reality.

In real life? Not a chance.

I'm curious as to what your avatar means. Really, it's bothering me extensively.

At any rate, the allergic reactions mentioned earlier could be his/her body reacting to something it knows is bad for it. I'm allergic to aspirin, I took it (or at least what my subconscious believed was aspirin) in a normal dream once, then everything went black. I could've had a seizure out of an allergic reaction, but in all honesty I don't really know. It's not unheard of, the body reacting to things it THINKS is bad for it because it's preparing for the worst, but then again, I'm not a doctor, I can't predict what the body will or wont do under certain conditions unless its meant to be obvious.
If you could test this further, it would be incredibly useful to quite a few people, at least in the field of dreams. But then we'd have one very sick person on our hands, wouldn't we? neutral



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PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Sorry but are you serious or trolling? Do you really think it's possible to materialize an object in real life by doing it in a lucid dream first?

That was a very stupid question, yes. It's sad how someone can even believe this is possible hand voor hoofd hand voor hoofd hand voor hoofd

Dragonmind wrote:
The law of conservation of matter, could be wrong. It's easy to tell why, we're launching objects into space, loss of mass, meteors come in from space everyday, gain of mass. So I think it can be possible to materialize an object without worrying about the opposite.


Seriously? Do you even know what the law of conservation says?

"... that matter cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system..." Launching objects into space is totally irrelevant here. Loss of mass? Nope, just mass taking another place. Meteors come in from space, yeah. They aren't "created" out of pure nothing. That's irrelevant too. Gain mass? You mean material gathers on the asteroids? How is that "creation" of mass?

Also, your fish bites and marks have a very real explanation. I don't know what explanation, but they sure didn't come from your dreams hand voor hoofd

littleRain wrote:
it would be awesome to bring back something from a dream, something solid like a flower like in the poem. reminds me of a nighmare on elm street . but, seriously we are gods and we can do it if we want....i think you have to visualize it strongly, but perhaps only you will have access to witness it, but i'm not sure, aleister crowley would know i think if anyone could do it he definatley could


That would be classified as a hallucination. And no, Aleister Crowley could not -.-

tukkek wrote:
Geocentrism.


I think you misunderstood what science means.

Limitles wrote:
But i for one, am definiately going to try this.


Good luck, you'll fail!



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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

All I could think while reading this was "Nightmare on elm street Nightmare on elm street..."

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

SuperAlex or Real World Man (Whatever you like to be called):
I feel that you have reminded us dreamers on a lucid dream website that science declares a certain thing we dream to happen, impossible. I realize I was wrong at the time, I was foolish and unwise enough to believe in such a miracle. I have learned from my mistakes though, so I shall copy and paste snippets of your knowledgeable post and put them in my memory for later use.
I shall also agree with myself in the terms that nothing is impossible.
I shall keep dreaming on about unworldly and obviously stupid to be real things.
I shall remember what you have said, and
I shall use it in the real world... That is... if you really think This is the Real world.
Now before you say, "Of course this is the real world" give it a damn good thought.



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PostPosted: Sat 17 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

if you got the thing you dreamed of in real life then it was not cause of your dream i think cause if you accidently punch you ellbow to something you will dream about something punching your ellbow and thats why you got the same thing in real life as in your dream is what i think hmm your feeling atm will have effect on your dream

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even though if it was possible it would become illegal cause you could imagine like a whole sac of gold and when you wake up you got it.... or anything else you want IRL



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PostPosted: Sun 18 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Dragonmind wrote:
SuperAlex or Real World Man (Whatever you like to be called)
^^

Dragonmind wrote:
I feel that you have reminded us dreamers on a lucid dream website that science declares a certain thing we dream to happen, impossible.
I don't really understand what you mean, but I understand it as you are telling me I reminded you that waking up with scars (as an example) always has a connection with an accident (as an example) in real life. If so, then yes.

Dragonmind wrote:
I realize I was wrong at the time, I was foolish and unwise enough to believe in such a miracle. I have learned from my mistakes though, so I shall copy and paste snippets of your knowledgeable post and put them in my memory for later use.
Good!

Dragonmind wrote:
I shall also agree with myself in the terms that nothing is impossible.
But materializing objects from dreams is impossible. So... whatsthat

Dragonmind wrote:

I shall keep dreaming on about unworldly and obviously stupid to be real things.
Whatever makes you happy

Dragonmind wrote:
I shall remember what you have said, and
I shall use it in the real world... That is... if you really think This is the Real world.
Now before you say, "Of course this is the real world" give it a damn good thought.
Well, I wouldn't really say there is a real life and a surreal life (even though I might have indicated it before to make you understand my point). I see dreams as something equally real as our waking life. The only difference between a dream and "reality" is that you are alone in your dreams. You can also experience some pretty cool "surreal" things.

Over and out!



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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

its possible for things happening IRL and it filters into the dream, but i don't think stuff from your SC can materialize into reality. it would be awesome though, it would be kinda like Inkheart, only with dreams instead of reading aloud from books tounge2

i was going to start writing a story about the dream world leaking into the real world and messing things up, and the main characters have to find a way to seal the barrier between reality and dreams to restore order, but i am sure there is already something like that (if there is someone let me know)

would be awesome if it were real, but i don't think it is. just enjoy your dreams, you can materialize anything any night you want, you don't really need it in real life smile



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PostPosted: Mon 19 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Well... Health Book, you have failed me.


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

The approach to finding out the answer to this is surprisingly logical. As a 4 year psychology graduate, one thing I have learned is that if you think something is possible or may be causing an effect, etc. then first, operationalise your point (that is make sure you clearly state what it is that you are really asking). For example; materialising into the physical state an object (and specify the object) from the dream state (that would be worded a lot better but I don't have the time nor the inclination to operationalise this topic ^^ ).

Second, propose your hypothesis: I hypothesise that it is possible to create 'said object' in the physical state by way of dreaming about it and bringing back with me into the waking state (again, much better wording needed).

Third, design all aspects of your experiment, consider the statistical approach you will take (qualitative or quantitative for example) to quantify your results, remove all confounding variables, etc.

Fourth, carry out your experiment.

Fifth, compile your data, do the stats, etc to find your results.

Sixth, If you think you've demonstrated it to be possible, then publish your findings in a peer reviewed journal where others can consider your results and conduct the experiment independently thereby adding validation (or not) to your results.

Seventh, go to the pub and celebrate on having just overturned the laws of physics! LOL (sorry, couldn't resist).

Seriously, who knows what is possible? I like to keep an open view on things but stop when discussions simply turn into arguments about “I think it’s possible” and “I think it’s not impossible” - neither with any evidence to substantiate their claim. That’s the same tired old argument that religion has used over the centuries and, as Blenderman pointed out, can never be resolved just by arguing about it. Only the best arguer wins but the question still remains.

So, snowleopard, your question is not a stupid one, simply one that hasn’t been answered as yet. We as dream explorers, and especially LD explorers are, in my mind, on the leading edge of study into the mind as we do it from the inside! We have a different perspective and I encourage all the crazy questions but along with the understanding that we can then experiment and discover new things.

Varien has a very good point about the aspirin reaction (coming from what wolvendeer mentioned about the strawberry allergy reaction). Though to spin the idea around, what if one was to take a ‘pill’ in a dream that could cure some ailment the person was suffering from (arthritis, depression) to mention but two possibilities – could this result in a physical outcome that could last long term? This is a great idea for a study that dreamers like ourselves would be best to try as we already have the dreaming skills to make an experiment of this nature possible.

Let the experiments begin :D



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